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Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by justicezyx »

walrus01 wrote: post #9

"Hey NASA, can I copy your homework"? "uhhh..." "It's okay, I'll just change it up a little bit so it doesn't look like a 1:1 copy of Spirit and Opportunity" https://www.dw.com/en/chinas-tianwen-1-enters-mars-orbit/a-5... More seriously, there's probably only so many valid 6-wheeled rocker bogey suspension type rover designs that are possible, but the resemblance is uncanny. NASA also likely spent a lot of time study…

I mean, advanced tech all look similar. See how closely resembled all the 5th gen stealth fighter.

If resemblance is a proof of copying, then we probably should point to all the other stuffs than advanced space technology.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by bhy »

lettergram wrote: post #21

> China had to develop all space technology on their own. It’s hard not to laugh at that statement. China runs the largest IP theft program in the world. To the point U.S. companies factor it in when doing business there. Just search this - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=china+steals&t=fpas&ia=web They also had the “thousand talents program”. That’s not to say what they did was not impressive, it was. But it’s also a lot…

Just remember, by your definition, the US "stole" textile technology from the UK. [1]

[1] https://www.pri.org/stories/2014-02-18/us-complains-other-na...

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by tfcata »

chii wrote: post #34
tfcata wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's funny. The thousand talents program is about attracting talents globally. Now who are you to say that those talents are 'yours' not 'theirs'? How about those talents the US attracted before because 'everyone likes the freedom here'? Are those not stolen simply because the US did it under a different political banner?

> Are those not stolen stealing is involuntary on the part of the entity being stolen from. Are those talents being enslaved to produce the IP for the US?

Good, are those who joined the thousand talents program the property of the US?

If you insist on the 'involuntary' part, well, all of you stole paper from China.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by xwdv »

justicezyx wrote: post #31
reasonabl_human wrote: post #23

While I totally agree, the US in turn enables people like Musk to do… well, whatever it is Elon does…. more readily than other countries. Entrepreneurship is hard and especially so if your system of governance isn’t onboard with it.

Same for China enable someone who is in charge of the mission to do whatever it is that person does... Can we stop for a moment to label anything from China with political statement?... Things are built by people, not some random business man...

It is hard to separate China from such statements because China and its people are tightly coupled to the government. Not like the United States.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by newacct583 »

hourislate wrote: post #14

This is good, there should always be friendly competition between Nations to drive Space Exploration. I hope this lights a bigger fire under the ass of the current US Administration and NASA to push ahead harder, faster and farther. The US doesn't know how lucky they are to have SpaceX and Musk.

SpaceX is no doubt cool. Nonetheless we're discussing China landing its first rover on a planet NASA's been flying a helicopter around for the last month. I mean, both are great accomplishments, but if you have to treat it as a competition and pick a winner...

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by soperj »

lettergram wrote: post #21

> China had to develop all space technology on their own. It’s hard not to laugh at that statement. China runs the largest IP theft program in the world. To the point U.S. companies factor it in when doing business there. Just search this - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=china+steals&t=fpas&ia=web They also had the “thousand talents program”. That’s not to say what they did was not impressive, it was. But it’s also a lot…

If the thousand talents program means this achievement doesn't belong to them, then landing on the moon belongs to the Germans.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by haram_masala »

justicezyx wrote: post #35
xupybd wrote: post #25

I love that China is doing so well in space. I love that China has pulled millions out of poverty with an incredible economic uprising. However I'm terrified of the CCP. I'm terrified of the monitoring and suppression of dissenting views. I don't trust that they won't try to impose their influence on the rest of the world, and I'm not super happy about how they treat their own people. So news like this stirs very mix…

> I'm not super happy about how they treat their own people Chinese people are certainly treated better from CCP than American people are treated. Look at the hate crimes targeted at Asian...

I don’t think the Uigyurs would agree with that statement. Particularly the ones that are being raped and re-educated in camps.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by walrus01 »

Context_free wrote: post #26
walrus01 wrote: post #9

"Hey NASA, can I copy your homework"? "uhhh..." "It's okay, I'll just change it up a little bit so it doesn't look like a 1:1 copy of Spirit and Opportunity" https://www.dw.com/en/chinas-tianwen-1-enters-mars-orbit/a-5... More seriously, there's probably only so many valid 6-wheeled rocker bogey suspension type rover designs that are possible, but the resemblance is uncanny. NASA also likely spent a lot of time study…

From 1947 to 1957 US media was filled with the idea that all progress in the Soviet Union was from stealing US innovations. Particularly the 1949 A-bomb, but other things as well. Then the Soviet Union launched Sputnik. Then they put a dog in space. Then they put a man in space. And the narrative changed.

> Then the Soviet Union launched Sputnik. Then they put a dog in space.

Our german rocket scientists are better than your german rocket scientists! Operation paperclip, and all that.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by bobthepanda »

xwdv wrote: post #44
justicezyx wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same for China enable someone who is in charge of the mission to do whatever it is that person does... Can we stop for a moment to label anything from China with political statement?... Things are built by people, not some random business man...

It is hard to separate China from such statements because China and its people are tightly coupled to the government. Not like the United States.

That's exactly the narrative that plays into the Chinese government's hands.

That being said the Zhurong rover is funded by the China National Space Administration so it is actually the Chinese government. No one claims NASA employees act as private citizens.

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by insert_coin »

chii wrote: post #34
tfcata wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's funny. The thousand talents program is about attracting talents globally. Now who are you to say that those talents are 'yours' not 'theirs'? How about those talents the US attracted before because 'everyone likes the freedom here'? Are those not stolen simply because the US did it under a different political banner?

> Are those not stolen stealing is involuntary on the part of the entity being stolen from. Are those talents being enslaved to produce the IP for the US?

> China runs the largest IP theft program in the world. To the point U.S. companies factor it in when doing business there.

This sounds pretty voluntary.

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