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China lands rover on Mars

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Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by coliveira »

krasin wrote: post #54
walrus01 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then the Soviet Union launched Sputnik. Then they put a dog in space. Our german rocket scientists are better than your german rocket scientists! Operation paperclip, and all that.

One of the best books about soviet rocketry is "Rockets and People" ([1]). My blood boiled at how badly German engineers were treated on the Soviet side and how inefficient the use of their skills was. They literally landed Germans on an island and gave an important, but a standalone task (multi-channel telemetry). Over time, it became redundant and 7 years later all surviving german engineers were let to go home. It…

It's even more impressive that the USSR did all that without using German scientists.

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Post by aardvarkr »

insert_coin wrote: post #62
lettergram wrote: post #21

> China had to develop all space technology on their own. It’s hard not to laugh at that statement. China runs the largest IP theft program in the world. To the point U.S. companies factor it in when doing business there. Just search this - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=china+steals&t=fpas&ia=web They also had the “thousand talents program”. That’s not to say what they did was not impressive, it was. But it’s also a lot…

Everyone stands in the shoulders of those who came before, and that is a good thing. The US didn't invent physics, didn't invent gunpowder, oil, math, textiles, ROCKETS, etc. But they did "acquire" them all, somehow. > China runs the largest IP theft program in the world. Most IP has been given to them by "businessmen" trying to gain and edge and betting wrong. That is not theft, if anything, is stupidity. To the deg…

Ah yes, so the chinese were "given" the designs to other military aircrafts which is why their fighter jets look identical to those from the USA and Russia?

[0]https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/g23303922...

Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by saltedonion »

hourislate wrote: post #14

This is good, there should always be friendly competition between Nations to drive Space Exploration. I hope this lights a bigger fire under the ass of the current US Administration and NASA to push ahead harder, faster and farther. The US doesn't know how lucky they are to have SpaceX and Musk.

No thanks. Not looking forward to a friendly competition to develop auxiliary technology for wmds with an authoritarian regime. I like such regimes technologically obtuse. Maybe we can also give Iran and NK an award for pushing the boundaries of human knowledge on nuclear science. Your assessment of risk to humanity vs reward for human scientific progress is out of whack.

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Post by xupybd »

magicsmoke wrote: post #61
xupybd wrote: post #51

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I truly believe that the majority of Chinese civilians are well treated under their current government. I also think the treatment of the Uyghurs is scary. That the control of media flowing into China is so controlled that the people are not free. The lack of democracy means there are not enough checks and balances to keep the people free. The way the one child policy has been enforced is not humane. The oppression o…

If you're in the Americas, Europe, or Australia that will never happen in your lifetime. Think about how plausible the US annexing China and controlling it would be. Now flip that around and double the difficulty. If you're in southeast asia the calculus changes. But the cost benefit analysis really leans against annexing hostile locals these days unless it's some nationalist mythology like China and Taiwan. And if y…

I'm in New Zealand and have family in Vietnam. It's a soft ideological take over I'm worried about with both. Vietnam being far more likely than New Zealand but we get a lot of economic benefit from China and they are buying up agriculture in New Zealand.

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Post by throwaway1997 »

justicezyx wrote: post #35
xupybd wrote: post #25

I love that China is doing so well in space. I love that China has pulled millions out of poverty with an incredible economic uprising. However I'm terrified of the CCP. I'm terrified of the monitoring and suppression of dissenting views. I don't trust that they won't try to impose their influence on the rest of the world, and I'm not super happy about how they treat their own people. So news like this stirs very mix…

> I'm not super happy about how they treat their own people Chinese people are certainly treated better from CCP than American people are treated. Look at the hate crimes targeted at Asian...

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Re: China lands rover on Mars

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Post by coliveira »

dartharva wrote: post #33

Um.. why isn't this being talked about more? I remember the discussions were very lively everywhere from Youtube to HN and Reddit when India was attempting to land its probe on the moon. A rover on Mars is a huge thing! Why are discussions relatively tame now?

It's the western media... They spent several hours talking about another rocket launched by SpaceX as if it was a big scientific advancement. But a major advancement by China is gonna be a little notice, or maybe they will say how this is a danger for everyone.

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Post by FpUser »

krasin wrote: post #54
walrus01 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then the Soviet Union launched Sputnik. Then they put a dog in space. Our german rocket scientists are better than your german rocket scientists! Operation paperclip, and all that.

One of the best books about soviet rocketry is "Rockets and People" ([1]). My blood boiled at how badly German engineers were treated on the Soviet side and how inefficient the use of their skills was. They literally landed Germans on an island and gave an important, but a standalone task (multi-channel telemetry). Over time, it became redundant and 7 years later all surviving german engineers were let to go home. It…

>"It's one sin to steal"

Every successful country at some point stole / conquered / forcefully took from others to achieve prosperity. Look at UK for example. They've raped half of the world. Then they were crying a river when the US stole from them. Now they are telling other countries not to do what they have done. Those other countries might listen when they will have "stolen" enough to be well on their own.

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Post by chrononaut »

dartharva wrote: post #33

Um.. why isn't this being talked about more? I remember the discussions were very lively everywhere from Youtube to HN and Reddit when India was attempting to land its probe on the moon. A rover on Mars is a huge thing! Why are discussions relatively tame now?

India and NASA went through concerted PR efforts in the lead up to the orbital insertion and landing respectively.

In this case it was known that the rover would be on Mars sometime in "mid-May" -- and now suddenly it's here. No globally oriented, in-the-moment PR. You can't fault anyone for it not being as immediately recognized and discussed as the other two.

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Post by tfcata »

throwaway1997 wrote: post #75
justicezyx wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not super happy about how they treat their own people Chinese people are certainly treated better from CCP than American people are treated. Look at the hate crimes targeted at Asian...

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Because right now the US politicians feel challenged, and they are panicking to paint their competitor as a threat for everyone. This kind of political trick happens all the time.
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