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Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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Post by bnastic »

bsaul wrote: post #9

This kind of post infuriates me. As an iOS developer for 10 years, i can guarantee you that there are probably hundreds (if not thousands) of stories like that, with people getting shut down for no good reason, and having their business killed. It's now so bad people are refraining from trying out innovative business model or apps just because they think there could be a chance someone at apple validation wouldn't li…

> i can guarantee you that there are probably hundreds (if not thousands) of stories like that, with people getting shut down for no good reason, and having their business killed

How about Apple telling me they don't like my business bank (a well known UK bank I've been with for 10 years) and simply refusing to set up the account. In a very cold, "go away already", manner. I wasn't going to kill the relationship with my business bank just because Apple told me to, so the app never got onto App Store and I shut down my dev account.

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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Post by eitland »

noch wrote: post #33
AsyncAwait wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why I've ditched all of my Apple hardware and went 100% FLOSS years ago. The experience is polished enough for me as a developer to do what I need to do and after I set it up just the way I wanted it, no other setup can touch how productive I am on my Arch setup. I've recently got the PinePhone in and while actual Linux on smartphones is very early, it's also an opportunity to have some real impact. I'll never…

> That's why I've ditched all of my Apple hardware and went 100% FLOSS years ago. The experience is polished enough for me as a developer to do what I need to do and after I set it up just the way I wanted it, no other setup can touch how productive I am on my Arch setup. For the majority of users, this is irrelevant because linux is unusable for them. And they are the customers. To have a sustainable business, we ha…

> For the majority of users, this is irrelevant because linux is unusable for them.

I got Ubuntu recommended by an electrician back in 2005 or 2006. (I used to be using Red Hat/Mandrake/Mandriva back then.)

Soon after I realized it had come to the point where Ubuntu was not only possible to install and use but simpler to install and use than at least OEM-loaded Windows machines.

It seemed to work well for grandmothers, kids and sysadmins.

Notable exceptions:

- certain people refuse to learn (certain Windows sysadmins)

- people who depend on powerhungry software that doesn't exist on Linux (for less power hungry software there is RDP or Citrix and Windows Terminal servers.)

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

bsaul wrote: post #25
echelon wrote: post #15

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If Apple doesn't back down, they should be broken up by the DOJ into a phone/hardware company and an iOS/Mac/Services company. The same should happen to Google with search, Chrome, and Android. You can't use dozens of entire markets as your product moat.

i generally agree (and the same goes for amazon). But let's not mix everything, otherwise we'll get no result. I believe there is a real momentum at the moment on the "app store" issue, and we should focus 100% on that until we get some result (then we'll move to the next one). I hope it's not going to be a talk about which commission rate is fair, because it completely misses the point. If apple wants to charge 30%…

Its not about commission rate, its about market share. We should be breaking up every corporation that gets anything close to 50% of market share if we are going to pretend that we live in a "free market" system.

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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Post by 411111111111111 »

echelon wrote: post #15
bsaul wrote: post #9

This kind of post infuriates me. As an iOS developer for 10 years, i can guarantee you that there are probably hundreds (if not thousands) of stories like that, with people getting shut down for no good reason, and having their business killed. It's now so bad people are refraining from trying out innovative business model or apps just because they think there could be a chance someone at apple validation wouldn't li…

If Apple doesn't back down, they should be broken up by the DOJ into a phone/hardware company and an iOS/Mac/Services company. The same should happen to Google with search, Chrome, and Android. You can't use dozens of entire markets as your product moat.

> The same should happen to Google with search, Chrome, and Android.

But... Why? Are you not an Android user maybe? Because it didn't make sense to me as an Android user. My default browser is set to Firefox with ublock origin installed. Search backend is still set to Google, but it's pretty easy to switch between providers. You're not forced into anything here

The real issue there is the deep coupling between Google services and Android, removing at least 70% of the phones utility if the phone isn't signed into a Google account.

The same applies to apple devices though, with the added issue that everything else is forced as well. While I'd be glad if Google opened up the services api, that's a very different issue to the one the original discussion was about.

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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Post by franze »

paganel wrote: post #69
franze wrote: post #61

> Mignori is a client for Image Board websites (we informally call “Boorus”). These image boards are popular in the anime community, although there can be image boards for anything you can think of. I just googled this, found some references to the anime image boards. Most were Hentai / Porn. If the main purpose of an app is viewing adult content, its main purpose is viewing adult content - even if you have to add th…

In that case they should ban browsers, too (which in a way they do, there's a de-facto WebKit monopoly on iOS).

Honeslty if the browser would be invented in 2020 they prop. would.

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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Post by _fzslm »

thdrdt wrote: post #75
redis_mlc wrote: post #59

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What's your alternative, since there isn't any, except to completely change your industry or business model? iOS users are known to pay for apps they like. Android users less so.

The alternative could a webapp. But this all depends on what hardware access you need. In the end it is a choice of business model. Taking the risk of making money while being dependant on one party (Apple, Youtube) is always a huge risk.

the PWA experience is still not so great on iOS. no push notifications, limited service worker support, etc. the only realistic solution for many businesses is sadly a native app.

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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Post by pacamara619 »

rbrtl wrote: post #80
nicoburns wrote: post #76

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If you want to create a cross-platform mobile app, you have no choice. In my country, iPhones are ~50% of smartphones. This needs to be regulated.

You have the same choice the device users have. It's their right to choose their device, and it's your right to choose which provider you use or don't. It is not your right to reach all those people.

There's such a thing as antitrust laws you ancap, they don't even need to have a monopoly.

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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Post by philliphaydon »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #64

And Apple is not even an isolated case. Google will close gmail accounts, take away adsense revenues, or remove youtube videos on a whim. Visa blocked users from giving their money to political causes they decided didn't aligned with their view of the world. For years Microsoft made it super hard to buy hardware without paying the Windows licence. They killed xbox remotely. They have invasive telemetry in Win 10. Pay…

I had about 12 domains once and decided to park them as I was busy, set them all up on adsense, went to all the domains to make sure they all worked, a couple I refreshed a few times as it wasn't working properly.

The next day I got an email saying my adsense was closed for 'fake views / clicks', no way to challenge it or anything.

That was like 10 years ago. I still can't use adsense to this day.

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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Post by waheoo »

rbrtl wrote: post #80
nicoburns wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to create a cross-platform mobile app, you have no choice. In my country, iPhones are ~50% of smartphones. This needs to be regulated.

You have the same choice the device users have. It's their right to choose their device, and it's your right to choose which provider you use or don't. It is not your right to reach all those people.

No you dont.

People with more users have more word of mouth network effects.

Thats not much of a choice.

Either participate, or be locked out and lag behind the competitors.

The problem here is that Apple is both the platform and the distribution network, when we know very well, computers work just fine with a distribution of power its pretty silly to argue anything counter to that.

Id love to see mac users round here survive on mac os with nothing but the app store.

Good luck without npm, homebrew, wget, or any other convenient way to install software.

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