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Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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I can only speak for myself, but I have had a number of interactions with the review team, and I have always ended up communicating with a human; although they would often paste “talking points” into their replies.

Because of the nature of a couple of my apps, I’ve had them bounced for “providing commonly available services” (i.e. competing with OS tools). In each instance, I have appealed, citing some unique features, and have prevailed.

I think that reviewers have a number of “1-button” responses, provided by some kind of dashboard, in order to ensure a narrative is maintained. This is actually common for many customer interaction scenarios. I don’t like it, but understand why it happens.

I’ll bet that the more heated an exchange gets, the more “canned” these responses become, because...lawyers. He may, in fact, be communicating with a human, who keeps hitting canned response buttons (not much different from ‘bots).

I’ve wondered whether or not folks might use TestFlight for “shadow release.” I have seen app makers use Enterprise in that fashion. I have no idea (or opinion) on whether or not that was the case, here.

I’m not sure I would want to pursue my case in the court of public opinion. It’s a risky gambit, but this chap may feel he has nothing to lose.

EDIT: One thing that I should mention, is that I never have a release in TestFlight for more than a few days. It has a "time bomb"; I think, maybe 60 or 90 days. That means, in order to maintain an app in TF for three years, he'd need to keep re-releasing every couple of months. That speaks to some kind of intent.

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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This kind of post infuriates me. As an iOS developer for 10 years, i can guarantee you that there are probably hundreds (if not thousands) of stories like that, with people getting shut down for no good reason, and having their business killed. It's now so bad people are refraining from trying out innovative business model or apps just because they think there could be a chance someone at apple validation wouldn't li…

I say this little tongue in cheek but it's time to make a www.helpXisthreatningme.com (where X is Google play store, Chrome store, Apple store) and I'm sure it will have at least dozens of new stories like this everyday.

That’s a fantastic idea. It would also be a great place to collect these voices and get a bigger platform in discussions with the platform owners. Almost like a union of sorts...

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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post #9

This kind of post infuriates me. As an iOS developer for 10 years, i can guarantee you that there are probably hundreds (if not thousands) of stories like that, with people getting shut down for no good reason, and having their business killed. It's now so bad people are refraining from trying out innovative business model or apps just because they think there could be a chance someone at apple validation wouldn't li…

That's why I've ditched all of my Apple hardware and went 100% FLOSS years ago. The experience is polished enough for me as a developer to do what I need to do and after I set it up just the way I wanted it, no other setup can touch how productive I am on my Arch setup. I've recently got the PinePhone in and while actual Linux on smartphones is very early, it's also an opportunity to have some real impact. I'll never…

> That's why I've ditched all of my Apple hardware and went 100% FLOSS years ago. The experience is polished enough for me as a developer to do what I need to do and after I set it up just the way I wanted it, no other setup can touch how productive I am on my Arch setup.

For the majority of users, this is irrelevant because linux is unusable for them. And they are the customers. To have a sustainable business, we have to target the platforms that paying customers use. That platform is not gnu/linux.

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds plausible. He claims to have 200 beta users without having been through app review. TestFlight only permits 25 internal testers [1] (you can have 10,000 external testers but the app has to go through review first). Something smells off. [1] https://developer.apple.com/testflight/

The author states in the article that it did go through review.

Does he? This is the portion I was basing my comment on : "The app has been sitting on TestFlight for 3 years now, it has around 200 beta users, and if anything, the only reason I can think of, is that Apple thinks I decided to unofficially deploy the app with TestFlight without going through the formal review."

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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`While the first version of this app was on the App Store from 2014 to 2016, I removed it in that last year because the app stopped working properly with most Boorus, and it was broken for most users. Since then, I started developing a new version called “Mignori 3”, which has never hit the App Store. It has been on TestFlight for a while.`

So basically he was calling something a 'beta' and distributing it through Testflight for 3 years.

Yep, no clear reason here. Big Apple bad!

Apple has a lot of problems, and I agree, but most of these 'developer stories about mean Apple' always have two sides of the story. I remember the same outrage about Kapeli's Dash situation, and then came out an account in his name was doing fraudulent activities ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12680131 )

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

#37

The problem with all these "Apple is being nasty to me" stories that have been appearing recently is that there appears to be a strong smell of "two sides to every story". I have not read the blog post above fully, but a speed-read suggests that the author was publicly distributing an app through TestFlight rather than App Store. I am not accusing anyone of anything here. But if my speed-read is accurate, then its no…

Author says that he develops app in his free time, did not have time to push it to app store properly and that he has 200 beta testers. Apps with a public invitation link for testing are common and if the delay is the problem here, then Apple should have said so. What's completely unacceptable here is that Apple does not specifically say what the author did wrong and this can't be defended by apologists. What is surp…

But it's not just the app marketplace providers. It has become the tech-company norm to shut people out of their systems without rhyme or reason.

It's outrageous, but people rag on Apple disproportionately, as though their model (curated App Store vs free-for-all) is the issue. We need sweeping technology reform from the top. Governments need to start understanding the technology that they oversee, not just dealing on a 'business level' with lobbyists and execs who will do anything to maintain their autonomy.

When these companies are service providers to a majority of the population (in aggregate, or individually) they must be treated as infrastructure providers and held to basic standards of accountability, transparency, and governance.

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

#38
Have I misunderstood something, or is this app's main goal to view Japanese comics infringing copyright in some way? That's probably the reason it was pulled. Sure it has other uses, plausible deniability, but what did the guy expect?

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

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post #9

This kind of post infuriates me. As an iOS developer for 10 years, i can guarantee you that there are probably hundreds (if not thousands) of stories like that, with people getting shut down for no good reason, and having their business killed. It's now so bad people are refraining from trying out innovative business model or apps just because they think there could be a chance someone at apple validation wouldn't li…

> But this shouldn't be the only option.

Switch to Android. You just realized the same reason why I switched 8 years ago.

That and consistently raising prices. Apple is doing this to satisfy their never-ending rising stock-price and it will only get worse.

Ps. Android exploits are worth more than iOS once now. How times have changed...

Re: Apple is threatening to terminate my developer account with no clear reason

#40

`While the first version of this app was on the App Store from 2014 to 2016, I removed it in that last year because the app stopped working properly with most Boorus, and it was broken for most users. Since then, I started developing a new version called “Mignori 3”, which has never hit the App Store. It has been on TestFlight for a while.` So basically he was calling something a 'beta' and distributing it through Te…

So it was in beta for three years. What of it? That's hardly fraudulent. If something is in beta, then it's... in beta. He wasn't selling it.
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