Where do I opt out? As a EU citizen my rights are protected by GDPR yes?
EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database
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Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database
#82Where do I opt out? As a EU citizen my rights are protected by GDPR yes?
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#83This is too dystopian for me. I'm increasingly thinking of moving somewhere less technological. Let the fools rush in where angels fear to tread.
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#84NSA didn't need the vote, so I guess we're even now
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Definitely not in the UK. We had them after WWII until sometime in the 50's when they were removed due to abuse by the authorities. Hence there is still a distrust of them. The scheme recently introduced and then scrapped could have had some interesting consequences. This is part of why we have such "fun" with the free movement provisions, in that we do not have a population register. Nor a requirement to keep the au…
FYI, any non-British citizens living in the UK (excepting EU for now) are being forced towards getting Biometric Residence Permits with any visas/renewals... a plastic card containing photos/biometrics and a big ID number on it. And biometrics are collected every time you cross the border.
Yes, that has been going on for a little while now. It started with refugees having to have such, and is getting rolled out wider now.
It is rather a pointless exercise, since people can slip past the border, and once within the country there is no need to carry or produce ID. So as long as one avoids interactions with the authorities, one will not be tracked.
About all it will do is allow a count to be kept of the number of law abiding (non EEA & non Swiss) foreigners within the country.
If Brexit ever does occur, it may then also include the EEA countries and Switzerland (depending upon what reciprocal travel arrangements develop), but would not include the Irish.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
In several EU countries you're required to carry id at all times. In the US Green Card holders are required to carry the card at all times.
> In several EU countries you're required to carry id at all times. Any idea what the punishment is for not carrying?
As far as I know, the only countries where you are obliged to carry your ID are Portugal and the Netherlands. In Germany you are required to possess one but not to carry it with you, except in special cases (fields of work known for a high percantage of illegal workers, people carrying weapons, police men). If you do not posses a valid ID, you will be fined up to 3000€. But do note that you are required to identify yourself to the police or other official institutions and if you are unable to they might escort you home to present your id or to the police office to identify you there.
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#87Merging existing databases into one big one might be more accurate but that's modern journalism.
Not quite. There is no database in some countries. I am not going to give the EU biometrical data, even if that means skipping some "services". Edit: I would also guess it is incompatible with recently introduced legislation.
It's an extension of the Schengen Information System (SIS)[1], which every country, which is a member of the Schengen accord, maintains.
I am not going to give the EU biometrical data, even if that means skipping some "services".
That may mean that you're not travelling into the EU at all. What is so different towards having to supply my fingerprints, when travelling to the US (or Malaysia, or Japan for that matter)?
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Information_System
Re: EU votes to create gigantic biometrics database
#88Yet another step to make things more straightforwardly hackable for interested actors. Sorry for the cynicism, but I can't help thinking that all this digitalization and automation is just plain blessing for foreign intel agencies, if not the main goal.
More so for bad actors outside the government than those in it I suspect.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
I doubt that it is a goal to make it easier for foreign intel agencies to get this data. But I also strongly doubt that they are capable of preventing it ...
No one said it's a goal. Just reality.
@sibling commenters
I believe the gp meant it's the goal of foreign intel agencies to encourage worldwide digitization/automation of everything (not the goal of the EU).
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, this is not "just" a merger! Prior to this latest crap, the databases were separate, including separate access controls, on a "need to know" basis. Now a shitload of agencies and their agents across the EU, including in untrustworthy countries like Poland, Hungary and Austria, can access all the sensitive data in one place. This is NOT good.
Not to mention untrustworthy countries like the UK, Germany, and France.
The UK is not part of the Schengen accord. So I suspect it won't be part of this repository.
This has nothing to do with Brexit.