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Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

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Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

#81

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Luckily, the creators of this technology also thought of these cases and provide ways to pre-test the safety check (e.g. damp wood) or to override it on specific cuts.

Good. So why not override it by disabling it completely?

Yeah this would be the first action taken by most contractors I've met.

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

#82

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The sawstop guy did just that. Power tools are an area where brand matters more than normal.

So why did he patent it instead of releasing the relatively trivial invention into public domain?

Might be to recoup the costs from the startup. He contacted manufacturers but they weren't interested.

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

#83

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> I would pay more for a technology that saves my finger Same, and I'm horrified to consider that professional tradesmen whose livelihood depends on their fine muscle control would choose not to pay more for a tool like this. Part of it is the mindset of "I'm not an idiot, I'd never accidentally position my hand anywhere near the blade"; but wood is a natural product with variations, and hitting an unexpected dense s…

You know why heavy gloves are used? Work clothing? Why there are safety rules and mandatory training? Why there are emergency stops? See, there are other ways to provide safety in this situation. And you cannot make anything really idiot proof. World will find a better idiot. This automated solution has a major drawback when sawing through anything too capacitive, wet wood, wood with nails etc. The company pushing th…

Please please please don't wear gloves while operating table saws or any other spinning tools.

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why did he patent it instead of releasing the relatively trivial invention into public domain?

Might be to recoup the costs from the startup. He contacted manufacturers but they weren't interested.

And then got an injunction against the manufacturer of a similar product (Bosch Reaxx).

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

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Ya, no. Besides the horrendous patent issue (say goodbye to market competition), this will double the price of table saws. No thanks. Consumer protection laws are not about making obvious choices for me. Its supposed to protect me from the unknown unknowns - things that the average consumer would not know is dangerous. Everyone has heard about these safer saws for over a decade now. Everyone knows saws are dangerous.…

"CPSC commissioners in favor of the rule point out that the $200 price difference is dwarfed by the financial cost, and pain and harm caused by 30,000 ER visits and more than 4,000 amputations every year. CPSC's analysis puts the annual cost of table saw accidents at around $4 billion."

Yet it would be cheaper overall.

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

#86
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They don't mention if it's possible to build saws without sawstop patents. Is this guy lobbying for all saw companies to be required to license his technology? EDIT: It appears that they're currently suing Bosch for developing their own similar technology.

How did seatbelts in cars overcome this issue? Are there loopholes available for "overwhelming societal influence"?

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

#87

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As TFA discusses, this certainly wasn't the case in 2013 when Mr. Ward had his hand destroyed in a high school shop. This technology had already been available for a decade at that point. Anyway the fact that a $400 machine has this feature doesn't mean that big multi-user shops can spend $400 and get it. Cheap table saws are made very cheaply, and are much less useful than $2000-and-up table saws. (More expensive/be…

Lots of additional spending? We're talking about one saw per district, a saw meant to last years . If they can't shift the budget to work in a one time purchase of a single tablesaw, in exchange for the safety of hundreds of woodshop students, that's on them. Most equipment in a school woodshop lasts multiple decades. That said, many school districts already have made the switch. My high school already had a Sawstop…

Everything is relative, of course. It's likely that not all public schools have the same enrollment or tax base that yours had. At some point the number of public school shops without this technology will be low enough that an ethical company like Bosch could just give all the poor schools a new table saw. That seems less involved than the lobbying efforts described in TFA.

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

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post #86
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They don't mention if it's possible to build saws without sawstop patents. Is this guy lobbying for all saw companies to be required to license his technology? EDIT: It appears that they're currently suing Bosch for developing their own similar technology.

How did seatbelts in cars overcome this issue? Are there loopholes available for "overwhelming societal influence"?

In the case of three-point seatbelts, Volvo gave the patent away.

"They decided that the invention was so significant, it had more value as a free life saving tool than something to profit from."

http://jalopnik.com/volvo-gave-away-their-most-important-inv...

Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

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post #86
post #5

They don't mention if it's possible to build saws without sawstop patents. Is this guy lobbying for all saw companies to be required to license his technology? EDIT: It appears that they're currently suing Bosch for developing their own similar technology.

How did seatbelts in cars overcome this issue? Are there loopholes available for "overwhelming societal influence"?

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Re: Despite Proven Technology, Attempts to Make Table Saws Safer Drag On

#90
The meta meaning of this thread is the most interesting part. Otherwise intelligent people are running straight into the buzz saw of obvious cognitive biases. Phrases like "Table saws are mostly used by competent people and the injury rate is pretty low" commenting on an article that spells out the injury rates and costs veer into near self-parody. Obviously humans are highly capable of over-estimating their own competency, in the face of graphic and statistically compelling evidence.
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