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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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post #43

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Looking from across the pond, the left seem to have went full bananas. The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle would be quite extreme in most of Europe. BLM look ridiculous too. While the right seem to be business as usual. Much more right than Euro right, but that's it.

>BLM look ridiculous too Protesting that cops kill black people and face no legal consequences is ridiculous?

I think it's the riots and assassinations. Maybe blocking traffic depending on who you ask.

Of course, Black Lives Matter isn't a well defined group, so you can't blame all of them for the actions of a few. But that's true of people who want .

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Why don't we demand the same disavowal of left wing radical groups like Antifa from Democratic politicians. There is countless footage of peaceful right-wing protesters getting beat, fire bombed, etc. at Berkeley and elsewhere.

So, what's your position then regarding: - BLM - Antifa - the 'alt right' - the Neo Nazis / white supremacy groups

Pure cancer. All of them.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

#83
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking from across the pond, the left seem to have went full bananas. The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle would be quite extreme in most of Europe. BLM look ridiculous too. While the right seem to be business as usual. Much more right than Euro right, but that's it.

>BLM look ridiculous too Protesting that cops kill black people and face no legal consequences is ridiculous?

Yes.

The idea that there are cops on safari hunting black people is a fundamentally absurd notion. When it is clear that the officer was involved in a "bad shoot", those officers are removed from duty and charged with murder/manslaughter. If you can point me to one that was not, I'd be very interested to learn more. However, it is often difficult to determine a bad shoot from a "good" one, which is the primary issue.

Cops disproportionately target black Americans because black Americans commit a disproportionate percentage of the crime in America. And you don't need to stop at the overall crime rate, you can look at how black Americans kill a disproportionate number of cops.

  There were 511 officers killed in felonious incidents and 540 offenders from 2004 to 2013, according to FBI reports. Among the total offenders, 52 percent were white, and 43 percent were black.[1]
And according to the 2010 US Census [2], the racial split in the US was:

  White: 72.4%
  Black: 12.6%
I think the numbers speak for themselves. Do these numbers justify cops killing unarmed civilians that pose no threat? OF COURSE NOT. But that is almost never the case. Remember, cops are not the military (they are not tried in internal military tribunals), and they do not have immunity. At the end of the day, it is up to the DA to bring charges against a police officer, and the DA will usually not bring said charges if that DA does not think he/she can prove in a court of law that it was a bad shoot. So yes, there are racist cops. But that should only be a crisis if you believe the US' entire justice system to be racist against black people.

[1] - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/...

[2] - https://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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> If you think the polarization of politics contributes to violence, it seems like a fair point. I'm sure it does. Now, who exactly is doing the polarizing here? > Honestly, it's probably too soon to be making political points. On the contrary, it is probably way too late. Now the question is how much damage will be done before the landslide is arrested. My sense of that: all bets are off. > But then people are looki…

> Giving up on the administration is not a political win, it is damage control. I gave up on Trump in the winter of 2015/2016. I'm way ahead of you there. I'm just saying people have valid thoughts (polarization in general leads to t his) that might be considered premature. But if we're going to be evenhanded, angry left-wing people need to honor a cool off period for a while. Keep in mind that moderates who dislike…

> moderates who dislike Trump from the start can fairly blame left-wing shenanigans, at least partly, for the rise of Trump

What? The rise of Trump was entirely down to the GOP - for years - stoking both racial and anti-liberal resentment with only one goal - to dismantle anything Obama touched.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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post #43

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Looking from across the pond, the left seem to have went full bananas. The identity politics and pushing "undocumented" migrants angle would be quite extreme in most of Europe. BLM look ridiculous too. While the right seem to be business as usual. Much more right than Euro right, but that's it.

>BLM look ridiculous too Protesting that cops kill black people and face no legal consequences is ridiculous?

Do black cops that kill black people not think that black lives matter?

And the reasonable response to that is to loot and destroy a black neighbourhood by its very inhabitants (among others)? It really seems quite ridiculous from here at least.

(And no, the fact that black people are over-represented in cop shoot-outs does not prove that cops have something against black people.)

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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post #12

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.

There is no left in US politics, there’s just hard right and centre right.

Seeing as there seems to be some disagreement to this post, let me back it up with recent US election pages from politicalcompass.org:

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2004

There are a few choices for very minor candidates (Bernie Sanders notwithstanding) but very little mainstream choice that’s not wedged over to the right hand side.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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"A house divided against itself cannot stand." -- Abraham Lincoln Pretty worrying to observe the polarization in the US where IMO both left and right are full of extremist views and moderates have no audible voice.

How can resigning in response to failure to condemn the KKK and Nazis be considered an extreme position? It seems to me that "I condemn Nazis and the KKK" is pretty much a "motherhood"[1] statement and you'd have to be pretty extreme not to make it. Even Jeff Sessions condemned it, and many of those on the left consider him a complete bogeyman. So while increased polarization might be a problem in US politics, I'm no…

> Is it people who support Nazis who downvote this

There are certainly a lot of people on here who are very keen to point out that the Nazis aren't that bad because [bullshit reasons], yes.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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If a significant portion of the US population doesn't want Universal Healthcare, then it is too left leaning. Just because many European countries have adopted a policy doesn't mean the US should, especially if the populace disagrees.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/23/public-suppo... > Currently, 60% say the federal government is responsible for ensuring health care coverage for all Americans

That's not the same thing as single payer. And, like Henry Ford said, if he asked people what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Trump was the most moderate Republican candidate.

There were far more candidates that did not run on racist, misogynist platforms, ie. Bush, Rubio, Johnson. Trump was never the most moderate. The Republican party didn't even choose him. Their constituents did. And if they had been paying attention they would have known a demagogue could have walked off with the party base.

Well, the media liked giving him lots of attention and air time. It was in the best interest of left wing demagogues to get a fresh new bad guy for the new season of American Politics.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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You're honestly putting too much stock in the media's narrative. Were you not watching the violence coming from left-wing protesters for the last couple of years? Such as Antifa and similar groups smashing towns and beating people with fists and shovels. It's a miracle the guy they were beating on the streets of Berkeley didn't die. Edit: and how about the Scalise shooting or the police officers killed at the hands o…

There's a time for that discussion. But not now. Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town and killed a women. And our morally depraved president couldn't bring himself to put a name to evil.

> Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town

They had a permit to hold that meeting. They could've showed off their bigotry peacefully, but police pushed them where Antifa counter-protested so both sides started to shout at each other which turned into a fight. It happened that way in Berkeley. Now it happened in Charlottetown. And it's going to happen again unless police starts doing it's job and protect people from themselves and prevent those clashes.

> killed a women.

When a muslim plows into a crowd it's a lone wolf and we should jump to conclusions. But now that it was a white guy the second it happened the media reached the consensus that it was an act of terrorism. This kind of double standard is what fuels white supremacists.

> And our morally depraved president couldn't bring himself to put a name to evil.

He specifically named KKK, Nazis and white supremacists. But you wouldn't hear about that thanks to your echo bubble.

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