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America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Re: America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Post by je_bailey »

mdorazio wrote: post #76
tamana wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't pass the smell test all. Your school sent 10% of its students to elite colleges, that's clearly not common.

It doesn't have to be common. You can move to whatever school district you want to (if you have the money for housing there) and get that same level of education. No one's forcing you to send your kids to sub-par public schools.

Well yes, if you're only option is to send them to a sub-par public school then the government is going to force you to send them to that school. If you don't have the means to move to a better neighborhood, if you don't have the means to pay for private school you have to deal with what you get.

Re: America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Post by CamperBob2 »

polymeris wrote: post #71
esaym wrote: post #32

I don't expect the public school system to teach my children anything. Hence why they won't be attending. Most of the schools I attended growing up were completely useless. Filthy, full of drugs and gangs. Sadly I even listened to some of my teachers more than I did my own parents (indoctrination) which I now see lead me down the wrong path. I don't expect the public school to teach my kids any kind of career skills…

That's depressing... poor kids.

Not for long, at $60/hr

Re: America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Post by nostrademons »

mattmanser wrote: post #47
esaym wrote: post #32

I don't expect the public school system to teach my children anything. Hence why they won't be attending. Most of the schools I attended growing up were completely useless. Filthy, full of drugs and gangs. Sadly I even listened to some of my teachers more than I did my own parents (indoctrination) which I now see lead me down the wrong path. I don't expect the public school to teach my kids any kind of career skills…

You want your children to become programmers like you? Not one of the thousands of other jobs? You want to force them to be mini-esayms without their own minds? You don't want them to make friends, socialize, network with their peers? To explore their own wants and desires in the safety of a school without your constant disapproval? You want them to spend their 20s in counselling complaining about their bizarre dad w…

None of those are mutually exclusive with teaching your kids programming at an early age, or even with pulling them out of school.

Re: America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Post by runamok »

mdorazio wrote: post #76
tamana wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't pass the smell test all. Your school sent 10% of its students to elite colleges, that's clearly not common.

It doesn't have to be common. You can move to whatever school district you want to (if you have the money for housing there) and get that same level of education. No one's forcing you to send your kids to sub-par public schools.

That is a pretty big if.

Re: America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Post by acjohnson55 »

mdorazio wrote: post #76
tamana wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't pass the smell test all. Your school sent 10% of its students to elite colleges, that's clearly not common.

It doesn't have to be common. You can move to whatever school district you want to (if you have the money for housing there) and get that same level of education. No one's forcing you to send your kids to sub-par public schools.

Surely you don't believe the average American can just up and move to places with great public schools?

I was privileged enough to grow up someplace that allowed me to go to a great public school. It's a great city by many measures, but poor in public transport, affordable housing, and working-class jobs.

Re: America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Post by nostrademons »

mattmanser wrote: post #53
awakeasleep wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're imagining a world where people go to college and find high paying jobs after following their dream without their parents holding them back. That is actually a marketing story, dangerous and unrealistic to believe. Esaym is talking about teaching his kids a real skill they can use. It certainly won't override their ability to learn and persue things- it'll actually make that possible . It'll enable them to make…

Wake-up call, we're a community of programmers and contrary to our echo-chamber, programming is 1 skill of the thousands which make money. I know a range of different people, none of them are programmers. Do you think only programmers make money? I am actually shocked and disgusted by his idea of parenting. He wants to isolate them from other children and teach them one skill instead of letting them learn a range and…

"He wants to isolate them from other children and teach them one skill instead of letting them learn a range and choose."

He didn't say this anywhere in his post.

Re: America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Post by bananamansion »

spike021 wrote: post #78

I won't go into much detail because I would wind up ranting and only be somewhat understandable.. However, as an American citizen who went to public schools as a child/teenager and am now finishing up at a public state university, I'm inclined to say that the education system here is a complete wash. It works for some people who fit the one-size mold that the system here seems to target, but there are a large number…

How would you suggest it change/whats the biggest problem.

Re: America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Post by m0llusk »

spike021 wrote: post #78

I won't go into much detail because I would wind up ranting and only be somewhat understandable.. However, as an American citizen who went to public schools as a child/teenager and am now finishing up at a public state university, I'm inclined to say that the education system here is a complete wash. It works for some people who fit the one-size mold that the system here seems to target, but there are a large number…

This may be true, but oddly enough it might not really matter. If math such as investigated here is required then those skills can be outsourced to those who are so gifted. The most important thing is the gift of enterprise and entrepreneurship which schools around the world are desperately trying to pick up from the US. Math is great, but ultimately it must be used as a means to some ends and that is where US students continue to excel.

Re: America's High School Graduates Look Like Other Countries' High School Dropouts

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Post by crispyambulance »

mikeyouse wrote: post #51
esaym wrote: post #32

I don't expect the public school system to teach my children anything. Hence why they won't be attending. Most of the schools I attended growing up were completely useless. Filthy, full of drugs and gangs. Sadly I even listened to some of my teachers more than I did my own parents (indoctrination) which I now see lead me down the wrong path. I don't expect the public school to teach my kids any kind of career skills…

Many public schools are just fine, if not excellent.. Something like 90% of my 300-student graduating class ended up in college, several dozen at Ivys or "near-Ivy" schools. We had intensive programming classes and maybe 15 or 20 AP options. This was just a random upper middle class district in the Midwest, we were rarely on the list of the 100-best schools in the state.

That's great for you, but it is NOT typical and I suspect that many of the 100 best were private schools.
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