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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by dependsontheq »

dependsontheq wrote: post #780

The most important designer of the 21st century so far, he was responsible for the most successful product of all time and a design aesthetic that reshaped the whole industry. I find it hard to judge individual features and products, because who knows how or why specific decisions were made. An amazing legacy, I really look forward to an autobiography, it will probably the closest we will ever get to the Ives/Jobs te…

Kind of sad that this whole thread is blaming him for any kind of problem somebody has with Apple hardware, I find it hard to believe that Ives oder anybody else took those decisions (USB C, thinness) without a clear sense of strategic direction and a very good business reason.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by 8note »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #778
slantyyz wrote: post #691

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The problem has less to do with dongles than having a diverse product line catering to multiple user types. Apple has basically decided to make all their laptop lines ultrabooks (which is their prerogative). And because a lot Mac users are more loyal to the OS than the hardware itself, they're stuck with what Apple is offering. As a consultant who goes to different clients, I prefer to have built-in ports as opposed…

It's not a consequence of being an ultrabook. Being thin means you can't have VGA or normal ethernet ports. Everything else can fit.

it doesn't even mean that.

I've seen unfolding Ethernet ports that still let the laptop be crazy thin

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by bad_user »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #655
AimForTheBushes wrote: post #645

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> Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. This is so true. Hence the dongle epidemic.

What dongle epidemic? A USB-C version of every important cord or connector has existed for _years_. Anyone who still has dongles is choosing them.

You're probably getting those cords and connectors straight from Apple, because if they aren't made for Apple products, most often than not they don't work.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by 8note »

bin0 wrote: post #766
FireBeyond wrote: post #756

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The fastest SD cards are 300 megabytes/second, not megabit. All my Sandisk Extreme Pro cards, for example. I also have a bunch of Extreme Pro CF cards that are 160MB/s. And then there's CFast - speeds in the 400MB/s range.

Apologies, I messed up my capitalization. That ought to have been "MB". You're right that things like compact flash are faster, but USB 3 has can handle over 600 MB per second.

you still need the card to support that speed though...

I'd imagine the card reader and USB are the same speed, unless they screwed up the implementation of the reader

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by DavideNL »

app-pole wrote: post #667
m12k wrote: post #605

I feel like the Apple we've seen since Jobs died is exactly what I would have expected if someone let the designers run the show without a strong product manager to reign them in: Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. I hope there's a chance to rectify that now - though I fear it won't happen until someone more visiona…

Apple has very skilled engineers, makes great strides in security, and I'm impressed by their hardware skills. However, UX is their weakness. I don't know why we keep pretending that UX is Apple's strength. Have you used their window manager? Have you used their workspace implementation? Clearly they haven't used it themselves. Everything about the Mac UI is geared toward just having a pile of windows in one workspac…

> They neglect power-users.

The way i see it is Apple provides simple defaults which work best for most/avarage users.

If you want something different/extra vs the default, you can customize some stuff within SystemPreferences (like keyboard shortcuts) or install a third party app (like BetterTouchTool, Contexts, Moom, Magnet, etc.)

Personally, i much prefer my Macbook's UX over my Windows10 UX.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by tarsinge »

moon2 wrote: post #384
jedberg wrote: post #102

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Nothing wrong with USB-C and the big trackpad is fine too, and I would love to have touchID on my 2015MBP. But getting rid of mag power and the USB-A ports, HDMI port, and SD card slot was a big step back. Maybe you don't ever need to present anything from your laptop, but if you talk to anyone who does, they will tell you how awful it is to not have an HDMI port. The USB-C to HDMI is the worst adapter I've ever seen…

Back when they launched the Macbook Air, we also thought having no DVD drive was a big step back. It took some time, but other companies started removing the DVD drives from their laptops as well. Maybe technology moves around Apple after all. If your Macbook does not have a SD Card slot, then SD Cards will soon be dead. Having a single USB-C, though, is still frustrating.

Also remember the huge outcry when the iMac didn’t come with a floppy drive. One or two years after USB keys became ubiquitous.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by rubee64 »

dependsontheq wrote: post #780

The most important designer of the 21st century so far, he was responsible for the most successful product of all time and a design aesthetic that reshaped the whole industry. I find it hard to judge individual features and products, because who knows how or why specific decisions were made. An amazing legacy, I really look forward to an autobiography, it will probably the closest we will ever get to the Ives/Jobs te…

Personally I've cringed at every design decision he's brought about since iOS 7 and the flat design push. Skeuomorphism was perfect, and virtually every Apple product has been dragged down since then.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

dependsontheq wrote: post #781
dependsontheq wrote: post #780

The most important designer of the 21st century so far, he was responsible for the most successful product of all time and a design aesthetic that reshaped the whole industry. I find it hard to judge individual features and products, because who knows how or why specific decisions were made. An amazing legacy, I really look forward to an autobiography, it will probably the closest we will ever get to the Ives/Jobs te…

Kind of sad that this whole thread is blaming him for any kind of problem somebody has with Apple hardware, I find it hard to believe that Ives oder anybody else took those decisions (USB C, thinness) without a clear sense of strategic direction and a very good business reason.

People are openly wondering if the next MBP will go back to having things like USB-A ports. As if! We've already bought the new dongles, dang it! I'd be surprised if the next round of PC's doesn't follow Apple's lead, just like the phones did when Apple removed the audio port.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by grumdan »

app-pole wrote: post #667
m12k wrote: post #605

I feel like the Apple we've seen since Jobs died is exactly what I would have expected if someone let the designers run the show without a strong product manager to reign them in: Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. I hope there's a chance to rectify that now - though I fear it won't happen until someone more visiona…

Apple has very skilled engineers, makes great strides in security, and I'm impressed by their hardware skills. However, UX is their weakness. I don't know why we keep pretending that UX is Apple's strength. Have you used their window manager? Have you used their workspace implementation? Clearly they haven't used it themselves. Everything about the Mac UI is geared toward just having a pile of windows in one workspac…

I really recommend Amethyst, which is an xmonad-like tiling window manager for OSX. It's still not as configurable as xmonad, but certainly nicer for me than the default WM:

https://github.com/ianyh/Amethyst

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by chrisseaton »

CPLX wrote: post #692
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What dongle epidemic? A USB-C version of every important cord or connector has existed for _years_. Anyone who still has dongles is choosing them.

If you walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line phone and take them home you’ll quickly realize there is no way to plug them in to each other. That is, in fact, stupid.

> https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MQGJ2ZM/A/usb-c-to-lig...

You don't need a dongle.

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