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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

fuckpig wrote: post #390
BlackDeath3 wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voting should be independent of opinion, should it not? Voting should reflect the merit of a post regardless of its popularity, right? Comments with little more substance than "cops should die" shouldn't be at the top of a comment page, right? You're 0 for 2 with me so far. Don't join the debate team.

> Voting should be independent of opinion, should it not? Voting should reflect the merit of a post regardless of its popularity, right? If that were the case, democracy would actually work.

"Should be", not "is". The fact that there are problems with democracy doesn't mean that people shouldn't attempt to improve the system.

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Post by seestheday »

dsego wrote: post #654
dagw wrote: post #628

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Some people have it has a hobby. I know a guy who on principle never pays a parking or traffic ticket without dragging the whole thing through court for as long as he can. For him the time and money involved are immaterial when compared to the principal of the matter.

In Croatia you now get a 50% discount if you pay the ticket on the spot.

On the spot, like cash directly to the cop?

Are you describing a bribe?

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Post by mcgwiz »

angersock wrote: post #756
subpixel wrote: post #726

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You're overlooking the fact that the cyclist in question ran a light and then tried to school a cop. Being arrested under the circumstance is not abuse - on the contrary it's just about standard procedure. Do you really expect you can give a cop lip - while being cited for a traffic violation - and skip away? When you have an altercation with a cop, give at least the respect you expect to receive.

Do you really expect you can give a cop lip - while being cited for a traffic violation - and skip away? Yes, because I live in a country where--supposedly, anyways--I am given the right of free expression. Telling a cop anything short of a threat, especially as it concerns the laws and especially especially when it is the cop being wrong about the laws, should be a non-issue. You're a damned fool if you think that t…

Let's be fair about this. You have a right to mouth off to a police officer as much as the police officer (in this case) had a right to arrest the offender. Neither are necessarily constructive, but simply allow stubborn people to prove some point. Practically speaking, one has to ask if proving that point (whether it's a point about morality or about power) is worth the risk of negative consequences.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by seestheday »

grecy wrote: post #303
herbig wrote: post #240

Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…

Thanks for sharing. When I read stories like this and the original article, I genuinely wonder how long it will be before the people start to fight back. And I mean literally fight. I'm not for a second suggesting that any individual should fight or even argue with the police, but I can't imagine how an entire society can tolerate this kind of behavior from the police. As much as I hate to say it, it really only seem…

This happens every day. The police call is resiting arrest.

Usually the police win due to overwhelming force, but in cases where the force is more equal (e.g. during a large scale protest) people who are arrested by police are sometimes forcibly "rescued" by fellow protesters. There are plenty of youtube videos of this happening.

There have been many cases of standoffs between minority groups and the police. Honestly, to say that even mid-high income/status people will do this on a large scale is laughable.

The chance of being shot dead or seriously injured in a situation like this is very real. I know I'm not willing to take that risk. Are you?

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Post by seestheday »

reefoctopus wrote: post #681
maratd wrote: post #409

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> The worst thing an officer of the was able to do was inconvenience you for a day. Wrong. Job application. Have you ever been arrested? No job. Mortgage application. Have you ever been arrested? No mortgage. No house. Rental application. Have you ever been arrested? No apartment. These are just a few places you will have the door slammed in your face. Now, the OP was lucky, because the matter was dismissed, the arre…

I wouldn't want to work for a company that would slam the door in my face because I was arrested for a petty offence like the one mentioned. There are plenty of companies out there that will treat me like a human being.

highly skilled worker problems

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Post by seestheday »

Crake wrote: post #553
mdisraeli wrote: post #182

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I'm glad it wasn't just me who felt like that. I'm white, middle class, and grew up in Britain as a native. But as a member of multiple minority groups, I've seen hints of this world, and it is not pretty :( The worst part of all this? First thing I did was check the author's gender and skin colour. And then I read the article. I normally work hard to be free of the prejudice of this society we are forced to live in,…

Just because you are prejudiced in favor of white people doesn't mean every other white person alive is also a racist.

Jesse Jackson said this: “There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

Does that mean he is a racist?

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Post by aeturnum »

hawleyal wrote: post #715
aeturnum wrote: post #593

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I'm not the person you're replaying to and I don't think that someone should be arrested in the described situation, but I think the logic follows like this. Police are the people we've put in charge with keeping public order. In the course of that job, they're going to arrest and / or detain people. We want them to always detain the right people, but even a very good police department will detain the wrong people so…

> this system only works It doesn't work. You are naive.

All countries with police are police states? Any arrangement with police officers of some kind will inevitably abuse their power?

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Post by aeturnum »

cryoshon wrote: post #753
aeturnum wrote: post #593

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I'm not the person you're replaying to and I don't think that someone should be arrested in the described situation, but I think the logic follows like this. Police are the people we've put in charge with keeping public order. In the course of that job, they're going to arrest and / or detain people. We want them to always detain the right people, but even a very good police department will detain the wrong people so…

The system doesn't work at all. Police are NEVER held accountable, even when they blatantly needlessly kill citizens. If anything, they get to take paid time off until they are cleared of wrongdoing. There are no citizen review boards with teeth. There is no way that police departments can self-regulate.

Never is a strong word, though it's pretty close: http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2012/01/police-involv... (not a great looking source, but obviously this is not a topic authorities like talking about). In general, I agree with all your points, and I favor a system were non-LEOs investigate LEOs.

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Post by seestheday »

liotier wrote: post #637
rdl wrote: post #543

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SFPD seems to have gotten a lot worse between 1999 and today. All the good officers I knew back in 1998-2000 were in their late 40s, so probably retired. I don't know what has happened to the department otherwise.

As the article's dialog mentioned, I suspect that they have been priced out of the area by real-estate value increase - the good ones may have found postings in locations more favourable to people employed in the salary range of a police officer.

This might be the core of the issue.

If businesses complain that they can't find any good developers for $60K/year, we say that they should be paid appropriately.

I hear a lot about teachers in the states being terrible, and I also hear a lot about teachers in the states being paid poorly (because it should be a calling or some other bullshit reason).

Is it the same with cops?

I live in Canada and feel like we don't have it nearly as bad. Teachers are paid very well, and it is a difficult job to get. Cops are paid reasonably well and it is a difficult job to get.

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