Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta • Hacker News Board

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by kubb » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 4:52 PM UTC

bradly wrote: post #307

kubb wrote: post #169

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Anna Politkovskaya – Investigative journalist and critic of the Chechen war, shot in Moscow (2006). Alexander Litvinenko – Ex-FSB officer poisoned with polonium in London (2006). Stanislav Markelov & Anastasia Baburova – Human rights lawyer and journalist, shot in Moscow (2009). Boris Nemtsov – Opposition leader, shot near the Kremlin (2015). Denis Voronenkov – Former Russian MP, shot in Kyiv (2017). Nikolai Andrushc…

I think OP is more using this incident along with many others. Things similar to in February when the President signed executive orders that imposed sanctions on American law firms and lawyers which included suspension of security clearances, termination of government contracts, and restrictions preventing firm employees from accessing federal buildings. ( https://www.justsecurity.org/110109/president-cannot-issue-a.…

Sure, combined with others it makes sense. Just Facebook isn't enough to draw equivalence though.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by HDThoreaun » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 4:56 PM UTC

michaelsshaw wrote: post #639

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Why are we moving the goal posts? Parent claims the violence is simply due to: "The idea of Hamas wouldn't exist if Gaza (and the West Bank) wasn't occupied by land, air and sea; their land stolen on a daily basis, and Palestinian people treated as subhuman animals." This is not true. And this is what I'm addressing in my reply. We can litigate 1948 as well. Plenty of Palestinian violence pre-1948. Their refusal to a…

All military actions made by oppressed peoples is legitimate resistance and your framing of Palestinians as instigators is troubling.

The problem with this framing is that it will never lead to the palestinians accomplishing their goals. As long as they continue to commit terrorism against israel israel will continue to oppress them and annex their land until the genocide becomes a reality and all the palestinians are dead or in a diaspora. No one will stop israel as long as they can credibly make a security argument. You may claim the same is true in a non violent plan but it is 100% guaranteed on the current path. So sure, the resistance is legitimate, that doesnt mean it is helpful to their cause though.

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Post by yatopifo » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:04 PM UTC

elcritch wrote: post #264

colanderman wrote: post #209

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Rumeysa Ozturk did not overstay her visa nor advocate violence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_R%C3%BCmeysa_%C3%... Nor did Rasha Alawieh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_Rasha_Alawieh

And cases like Rumeysa Ozturk's are different. I also believe DHS should have to abide by the courts as well. Her case is also getting national and international attention and legal help.

By your logic, in the grand scheme of thing, it’s ok to deport elcritch and then say “elcritch’s” case was different and provide it with national and international attention and legal help.

Full disclosure, i’m not arguing in good faith. As a Canadian I don’t believe the US has a future, so I’m merely highlighting an argument which is symptomatic of the country’s downfall.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by ashoeafoot » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:13 PM UTC

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #415

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Maybe it's time to rethink the visibility and permanence of HN discussions.

For a supposedly intellectual site that I clearly am at best in the middle tier of intellectual ability, this place is shockingly passive and accepting of the converging futures of authoritarian AI and the marked collapse of political discourse, if not rule of law. Maybe I'm just a dumb one that speaks up, everyone else has gone dark forest.

Lets say that a ton of us got a leaky look at what the likes of thiel datamimed from the humanity dataset. The last mile of the enlightenment wrecks all those romantic ideas of eternal progress by technology, self actualizationa and retardation repair by education pretty thoroughly. Those that are not in the know mimic those that are or just develop a amoral stance to whether and survive the times which are a changing. It turns out the civil liberty lessons do not survive the contact with the lovecraftian reality beneath. This whole 10 year ride since 2016 was not foreseen, predicted, effectively countered and not even mitigated by protecting cultural artifacts and institutions against the decay. The science whose prediction power is zero, who has no eclipse to show, is not one.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by michaelsshaw » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:26 PM UTC

reissbaker wrote: post #758

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Mmhm. And not only can I read — it would be quite amazing if I could write the posts you're angrily responding to without being able to read — I'm also pointing out that there is nothing that qualifies as a 77-year genocide in which the population grows year over year the entire time. No serious scholarship exists that even claims a 77 year genocide starting in 1948. Every time someone dies in a conflict, does not eq…

>BTW the five acts are: killing — typically systematic, targeting civilians rather than militants; bodily/mental harm (e.g widespread slavery, systematic rape); deliberately inflicting conditions meant to destroy the group (e.g. mass starvation);

Check, check and check. And Zionism has always been seeking to expel Palestinians, despite your dubious claims to the contrary. Success is not a requisite as written in the genocide convention. Your population stats are irrelevant.

Try this: go on Israeli politicians twitters. Read the Hebrew language ones and translate them to English. Report back.

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Post by michaelsshaw » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:28 PM UTC

HDThoreaun wrote: post #766

michaelsshaw wrote: post #716

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I assume you're referring to the IDF, as they are the only member of this conflict who has been recorded using civilians as human shields systematically. The Israelis also actively prevent any aid from reaching gaza, including going so far as to attack and destroy the aid. Maybe YOU should think before spreading Zionist(read: terrorist) propaganda.

> The Israelis also actively prevent any aid from reaching gaza Then why is there so much aid in gaza? Israel controls gazas borders. If they didnt want aid in gaza there wouldnt be any. I just dont see how you plan to convince anyone when the thigns you are claiming are so obviously untrue

I don't know how you can extrapolate "look how generous the Israelis are" from the undeniable fact that they are blocking aid and not nearly enough is let in.

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Post by Whoppertime » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:30 PM UTC

mmooss wrote: post #544

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More importantly, these newsrooms are run by people who get their money from the same places. How much are they going to tolerate narratives that go against their financial interests?

Just endless conspiracies. Which newsroom leaders get their money from what places? Why do leaders in government and business hate journalists so much and invest so much in discrediting them?

https://www.emarketer.com/content/pharma-companies-increase-... https://www.fiercepharma.com/marketing/pharma-passes-tech-cl... Newsrooms, online or otherwise get a lot of money from Big Pharma Pharma has overtaken tech to become the second-largest industry for ad spending in 2023.

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Post by immibis » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:30 PM UTC

netrus wrote: post #725

logicchains wrote: post #654

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>A very asymmetric setup exposing the underbelly of free speech cultures As opposed to non-free-speech cultures like Russia and China where people have absolutely no say in whatever their leaders do? Because that's inevitably what happens when you give people in power the power to restrict speech: they restrict any speech critical of them. We're even seeing this in developed democracies like Germany where a journalis…

It's important to be precise because everything is not the same. In the German case the ruling was not because someone posted a critical meme, but because it was not entirely obvious the picture was edited (as in: you and I can immediately see the photo was edited, but some people will not recognize the edit). I do not agree with the ruling, but as a citizen I am happy that in Germany we still care if claims are true…

Does this happiness that some people care whether claims are true or not overrule the arrest and deportation of peaceful protestors, and people in general based on social media posts, or do you also feel happy about that?

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Post by immibis » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:32 PM UTC

tehjoker wrote: post #692

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #534

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If you are talking about Khalil, he didn't just speak against Israel, it seems like his role in an org which openly supported Hamas may have played a part but didn't matter legally. The legal issue was that he left out facts on his green card application. I am 100% sure that support of terrorist orgs can invalidate your green card. https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-administration-claims-palest... > According to recent…

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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by immibis » Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 5:33 PM UTC

kamlaserbeam wrote: post #699

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> Although not even close in number and punishment the US government is deporting people for speaking against Israel. You and I both know that isn't true and repeating that doesn't help anyone but further implant in people's minds that the other side is completely irrational and cannot be reasoned with. No, the US government is deporting people for supporting terrorist organizations, something that's always been a di…

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> Opposing the support for another foreign nation's genocide is not a support of terrorism?

It is in Germany and also in the USA. It doesn't matter whether you agree with the government on this point or not, because the government are the ones with the legal right to lock you up.