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Post by curt15 »

gs17 wrote: post #205
packetlost wrote: post #189

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He's married to a citizen which gives him an avenue towards legal residency and full citizenship. It doesn't matter anyways because the government admitted he was deported due to a administrative error and because they actively undermined and sidestepped the courts authority on several occasions, there is effectively nothing stopping them from doing it to full blown citizens. Honestly, it sounds like it's just a matt…

I agree it's bad, and yes, the government admitted they shouldn't have done it. But regardless, the question was about if it has happened to a citizen, not a person who maybe could be a citizen one day but is not, and you responded with them "doing just that" when they did not, in fact, "do just that". I'm not sure why there's a need to mislead when what's actually happening is bad enough.

None of the Trump admin's excuses for why they "can't" bring back that guy depend on his citizenship status.

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Post by jamiek88 »

bolognafairy wrote: post #409
maeil wrote: post #353

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That would be great, but I don't see it. HN has already been obviously violating GDPR and all other right-to-forget laws since forever by not allowong for account deletion, and everytime this has been brought up, dang has pretty much confirmed they don't care ("it would look bad if there were deleted comments [and that's more important than these laws]").

huge shock that y combinator doesn’t give a shit about legal risk considering the huge chunk of its successful startups were just law-breaking mobile apps.

Move fast and break democracy.

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Post by int_19h »

selectodude wrote: post #186
shihab wrote: post #175

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As someone who came from a pretty authoritarian country- let me assure you that people there do routinely criticize their government, mock them all the time. Governments often do not have the bandwidth to deal with the volume of criticism, and even when they do- they wisely realize that letting people vent a little online is better than complete crackdown. I myself routinely did this in Facebook, where many in my fri…

>I am in fact far more afraid of pro-palestine speech from USA as an immigrant than I was in my home country- and please trust me I am not exaggerating here. I would have laughed at this until pretty recently. How wrong I was.

It's not just non-citizens, either. Look into denaturalization and all the fascination with it in pro-Trump circles lately.

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Post by cantrecallmypwd »

dijit wrote: post #334
nashashmi wrote: post #167

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Every pro Palestinian protestor has experienced some form of awareness suppression and content removal. They have known this was a thing long before anyone else did. Same thing happened during 9/11. Muslims saw suppression, bullying by the police and no one covered it. Then the tables turned on maga republicans after j6.

I’m too stupid to navigate this topic in anything other than a crude and adolescent way, however I think it could be tricky for pro-palestinians because they can fall easily into the trap of using party slogans used by proscribed organisations. My understanding of Hamas is that they are not considered a legitimate army, but if they were they would be guilty of an insurmountable number of war crimes (not unlike the ID…

Hamas isn't an army, it's the political party voted into office to administer Gaza. The problem is a subset of it, the Al-Qassam Brigades, that conduct asymmetric warfare. If that were shutdown and violence were disavowed, that would give them political respect and would cease giving Palestinians a bad name that holds them back from the atrocities committed against them from being recognized.

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

esafak wrote: post #327
maeil wrote: post #266

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Chris Krebs just yesterday had his security clearance revoked solely for saying the 2020 election was fair and not rigged. His coworkers at SentinelOne (almost certainly most of who are citizens) also had their clearances revoked, despite never speaking out on the topic, purely as a North Korea style "punish the whole family" approach to strike fear into people of guilt by association, so that those who have spoken o…

Maybe it's time to rethink the visibility and permanence of HN discussions.

For a supposedly intellectual site that I clearly am at best in the middle tier of intellectual ability, this place is shockingly passive and accepting of the converging futures of authoritarian AI and the marked collapse of political discourse, if not rule of law.

Maybe I'm just a dumb one that speaks up, everyone else has gone dark forest.

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Post by int_19h »

rchaud wrote: post #48
gooosle wrote: post #43

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The difference with Russia is that they are much worse at hiding their corruption and censorship.

Russia doesn't bang the drum of "free speech" ad nauseam the way US social media magnates do.

Strictly speaking, Russia has quite explicit free speech protections in its constitution. So much so that it separately covers freedom of speech and freedom of press, and in regard to the latter straight up says "censorship is prohibited".

Whenever this topic comes up, the government just nods at the document, as if it had any relation to the real world.

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

packetlost wrote: post #152
aeternum wrote: post #142

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>Which is a long way of saying the executive can blackhole anyone it wants Do you have examples of the executive doing this to citizens or are you being hypothetical here? Countries generally grant far fewer rights to non-citizens. Have you considered how allowing non-citizens to spread discontent within a country could be abused?

Here's the executive branch getting ordered by SCOTUS to bring someone back for doing just that: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62gnzzeg34o

The executive branch is merely going to ignore everything and then apply pardon powers to any sort of actual enforcement by the judiciary branch.

But how can this judiciary enforce anything, or the legislative for that matter?

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Post by d0gsg0w00f »

maeil wrote: post #266
perihelions wrote: post #77

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America's arrested rather a large number of people in recent weeks—university students, mostly—for expressing viewpoints on the I/P conflict. The current Administration is claiming, and no one's yet stopped them, that First Amendment rights don't apply to non-citizens such as international students. - "You’re not arrested for posting this" For what it's worth, it's widely reported that ICE is trawling social media to…

Chris Krebs just yesterday had his security clearance revoked solely for saying the 2020 election was fair and not rigged. His coworkers at SentinelOne (almost certainly most of who are citizens) also had their clearances revoked, despite never speaking out on the topic, purely as a North Korea style "punish the whole family" approach to strike fear into people of guilt by association, so that those who have spoken o…

To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud.

IMO both approaches should have been more measured, but who do you think will propose the ceasefire agreement?

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Post by anigbrowl »

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #418
maeil wrote: post #266

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Chris Krebs just yesterday had his security clearance revoked solely for saying the 2020 election was fair and not rigged. His coworkers at SentinelOne (almost certainly most of who are citizens) also had their clearances revoked, despite never speaking out on the topic, purely as a North Korea style "punish the whole family" approach to strike fear into people of guilt by association, so that those who have spoken o…

To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud. IMO both approaches should have been more measured, but who do you think will propose the ceasefire agreement?

This is not true. People who claimed the election was rigged were asked to back up their claims with evidence. Typically they never did, although a smaller number made an effort...but the profferred evidence was nonsensical. I am not just talking about talking heads widely quoted on TV or social media posts, I read a lot of election litigation.

I think the anti-mask people had some valid points, but they sank their own boat by ranting about 'masktards' and 'face diapers' while also demonstrating callous indifference to the large number of deaths.

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AtlasBarfed wrote: post #417
packetlost wrote: post #152

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Here's the executive branch getting ordered by SCOTUS to bring someone back for doing just that: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c62gnzzeg34o

The executive branch is merely going to ignore everything and then apply pardon powers to any sort of actual enforcement by the judiciary branch. But how can this judiciary enforce anything, or the legislative for that matter?

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