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Allow me to introduce you to the X and Y chromosomes.

Allow me to introduce you to Klinefelter syndrome and the difference between genotype and phenotype.

A "random genetic error" (by definition) is not an argument for sex being a spectrum.

>A genetic condition in which a male is born with an extra copy of the X chromosome

So still a male, got it.

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Allow me to introduce you to Klinefelter syndrome and the difference between genotype and phenotype.

A "random genetic error " (by definition) is not an argument for sex being a spectrum. >A genetic condition in which a male is born with an extra copy of the X chromosome So still a male, got it.

It sure is an argument for sex being a spectrum.

The word "error" is a social construct. I prefer "variation", which also is a social construct, but doesn't imply a judgment. (Of course, judgments are social constructs.)

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I got a 7 day ban for a tweet that included “political suicide pact” as an idiom. I then got permanently banned for including the line, “sending their children to die in Ukraine” in a tweet. The “appeal” button causes me to get a denied email within one minute. This tells me no humans are in the loop on any of this. I don’t think these tweets were controversial or require any diversity of viewpoints. They just requir…

I got a 48 hour ban recently for sharing a quote from an article we were discussing. The quote was nothing special, just a statement from a spokesperson for a company. The "problem" was that I included the name+title of the person I quoted, and that somehow got flagged as me "doxxing" that person and their place of work. Whose job it was was to be a public spokesperson for this company.. It wasn't any political or co…

My SIL got permanently suspended for posting pitbull attack statistics. Some pitmommy group (what they called themselves) found her tweets and mass-reported her.

I doubt a human was ever in the loop, if you get enough reports off with your head.

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I'm Jewish (feel free to believe me or not) and I disagree. I choose to ignore the overt bigotry and focus on addressing the underlying distrust. What he said represents quite common black nationalist views and were espoused by most Black Power activists in the 60s. Those views are still highly relevant in the black community today, due to things like this[0], promoted by popular thinkers like Prof. James Small. Yes,…

> What he said represents quite common black nationalist views and were espoused by most Black Power activists in the 60s. Those views are still highly relevant in the black community today, due to things like this[0], promoted by popular thinkers like Prof. James Small. Yes, they can be hurtful, but I believe the proper response is to make the sports and music contracts transparent and re-do them so they don't screw…

It's not about supporting or tolerating views, it's about empathizing with people who reached the wrong conclusion based on positive intentions. It makes me uncomfortable to write people off when their pain is legitimate.

From what I can see, most people who support Kanye are uncomfortable with the way he said it, but support his crusade against labels and distributors. Most (not all) of the people who oppose Kanye don't give a shit about labels or distributors beyond lip service, and are themselves exploitative (like Ari Emmanuel, who IMO contributed more to antisemitism than Kanye ever could). These people are not motivated by principles of tolerance, they're just trying to bury the issue. It's easy for me to choose where to stand, and I'm perfectly comfortable with my choice.

> We can say both that Ye is wrong to be antisemitic _and_ agree that the music industry is exploitative.

I say both too. But on the chessboard, sometimes you need to move pieces you don't want to. Rhetoric which is already extremely widespread doesn't bother me much; systematic and institutional discrimination against some of the people I admire most, bothers me highly. Fixing those industries is hard enough, and I don't want to make it any harder for him by joining the mob. I'll take issue with his comments once his fight is won.

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> The award is only ridiculous if you think trans people shouldn't exist in public as openly trans. This is simply your skewed view and not how many people read the joke. She was named as "woman of the year" BECAUSE she was trans, not because she was/is a woman. That's the joke. USA Today itself probably doesn't care if she is or isn't a woman, the award was issued to get engagement. > I don't know why this is framed…

>This is simply your skewed view and not how many people read the joke. She was named as "woman of the year" BECAUSE she was trans, Fine, and this is "simply your skewed view". Yours is not inherently more right than mine. >Because that is how Progressives have treated the topic in general (at least publicly, privately not so much.) You completely skipped my point. Progressives have treated this topic this way becaus…

> You completely skipped my point. Progressives have treated this topic this way because there is no compromise position.

Isn't the compromise position to tolerate everybody's own personal words and definitions? That certainly used to be the progressive position, at least up to about a decade ago.

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content moderation in any form is policy, is political, is governance. they're talking about setting up a council with diverse viewpoints, that's an attempt at representative government! they already support blocklists and most of the content it suggests is directly related to your activity on the site. it seems they have a small random factor, but it's pretty easy to ignore or block if you don't like it. but honestl…

No there isn't. Twitter isn't the bastion of communication for human connection. It is a place for people seeking attention to spew their PR snippets. For God's sake, please go out into nature and then take a walk somewhere with people before suggesting that Twitter is the place for humans to communicate and organize.

i didn't say it was a bastion of communication for human connection, i said it (the internet) represents "a change in the fabric of how humans communicate and organize."

the number of edges per node in the walk in the woods with friends graph is much smaller than the number of edges per node in the social media universe, with twitter being a crazy power law distribution.

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This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

Based upon his build up, this will be a fig leaf/scapegoat . I don't see anything in his behaviour which would justify your "optimistic" outlook. Sure it won't degenerate in one of those gutter platforms right away but I doubt he'll be able to maintain an acceptable level as long as he's directly involved. He just doesn't make the the impression of an adult person. imho this may end up being really good for the rest…

> He just doesn't make the the impression of an adult person.

No, obviously not. Ramping up his car company from roughly nothing to major global presence, kickstarting the world on electric traffic, and setting up private space rocketeering on the side. Oh, and becoming the supposedly richest person on the planet in the process. How insufferably childish of him.

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The hatred exhibited in all these Twitter-related threads, both here and elsewhere is truly something to behold. In a free society everyone should be for the protection of free speech. Note that this does not mean unmitigated slinging of fecal matter. It does, however, mean that platforms with significant reach should not be engaged in explicitly favoring one side or another. They need to enabled open and "color blin…

Protection of free speech, its intent atleast, is to protect citizens from governments.

Not to give citizens a free for all tongue wagging that can harm others or incite violence.

Free speech is to be used against tyrannical governments.

If someone is saying "jews are vermin", they absolutely have to be gagged.

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EM is going to bring technology from Tesla over to help, and Twitter instead will become fully self-moderating.

I hope this is sarcasm. Nothing in Tesla's stack can come close to fully auto-moderating online speech.

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This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

He already tweeted something groveling to the importance of advertisers asking them to not leave yet.

His tweets about China show he knows how to grovel when money's at stake.
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