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Post by judah »

mlindner wrote: post #505
jszymborski wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bunch of accounts like The Babylon Bee and Ye have been unbanned w/o input from any such committee of diverse viewpoints. I don't have much faith that Musk will not act unilaterally in service of his friends and allies.

Babylon Bee was never unbanned (because they were never banned in the first place, just suspended and continue to be suspended) and Ye was unbanned before Elon Musk ever took over.

Babylon Bee's Seth Dillon put it[0] this way:

> "The Babylon Bee was tossed in Twitter jail 7 months ago for a joke that referred to an adult male as a man. We could have restored our account at any time by deleting the tweet, but we refused. It was the right call. Never censor yourself, and never apologize for speaking truth."

[0]: https://twitter.com/SethDillon/status/1585633678977544192?s=...

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by beachy »

I wish that Twitter - or some other social network - would experiment with the type of moderation seen on HN. Some would maybe call it heavy handed but I think of HN as a place that is mercifully relatively free of trolling, outrage culture, political bullshit and other toxic behaviors.

In my experience there's no place like HN on the internet, and that's due I suspect to having a highly professional moderator (@dang) who uses top level communication skills to firmly but politely pull people into line.

That in turn creates a virtuous circle where users socially moderate each other.

It's hard to describe just how relaxing and pleasant it is browsing HN. It's always jarring to read the comments on e.g some Facebook groups I belong to, which feel like they're authored by a bunch of teenagers that have just found the key to their parents liquor cabinet.

If Twitter was like HN I would spend time there.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by Thrymr »

AlexandrB wrote: post #271
PM_me_your_math wrote: post #244

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Whi else did he call a pedophile? I know of only one person. Do you have any proof of fraud? If so, you should turn it into the SEC. Musk is not known to give hugs. So what?

Musk already settled with the SEC over his securities fraud: https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-226 Not sure what reporting it again would do. Edit: I'm guessing GP was referring to the continued potentially fraudulent FSD promises - there was a lot of HN discussion on that yesterday I think.

There's also the minor matter of the $258 billion Doge lawsuit.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by kQq9oHeAz6wLLS »

beachy wrote: post #522

I wish that Twitter - or some other social network - would experiment with the type of moderation seen on HN. Some would maybe call it heavy handed but I think of HN as a place that is mercifully relatively free of trolling, outrage culture, political bullshit and other toxic behaviors. In my experience there's no place like HN on the internet, and that's due I suspect to having a highly professional moderator (@dang…

The problem I see with that is that it doesn't scale to the size Twitter is.

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by concinds »

dleslie wrote: post #385
luxuryballs wrote: post #360

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I really don’t think Kanye is mentally ill or anti-Semitic, people are just claiming both or either of those as a way of “poisoning the well” about what he’s actually saying, check out this recent interview with ex-CNN Cuomo: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kQwaOfBb-s8

Ok, I bit. At 6:50 he explicitly decides to "call out" all Jewish people, and makes a claim that he's a victim of their behaviour. > "And what I'm doing, I'm calling out the Jewish community as a whole to say. People say to me, all, we grew up on Ye. Talk to your brother, ask him why is Ye upset? Everybody, all they [the Jewish Community] want to do is silence and shoot the messenger." That's plainly antisemitism.

I'm Jewish (feel free to believe me or not) and I disagree. I choose to ignore the overt bigotry and focus on addressing the underlying distrust.

What he said represents quite common black nationalist views and were espoused by most Black Power activists in the 60s. Those views are still highly relevant in the black community today, due to things like this[0], promoted by popular thinkers like Prof. James Small. Yes, they can be hurtful, but I believe the proper response is to make the sports and music contracts transparent and re-do them so they don't screw over black talent, as Kanye says, to address the underlying distrust, and rebuild proper ties between the Jewish and Black communities. Conflict is sometimes healthier when it's out in the open and gets addressed, rather than repressed and buried.

There's enormous dangers in following the "destroy Kanye" route; it makes everything worse, and the impulse to ban anyone who doesn't "talk right" will eventually lead to historic catastrophe as resentments get buried and build up, rather than getting hashed out.

There's a huge difference to me between people with zero grievances (except being incels) turning to hate, versus being with huge legitimate historical and current grievances where I just disagree with how they express it. I still view it as my (and our) duty to address those grievances; we can address the distrust between communities afterwards once they're solved.

[0]: https://www.972mag.com/%E2%80%9C2pac-killed-by-jewish-gangst...

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by catiopatio »

slg wrote: post #516
partiallypro wrote: post #441

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No, because those aren't even remotely similar things. It wouldn't be a "hate crime" to call a Catholic a Protestant, or a Gay person a Straight person or a Black person a white person. It would be a hateful to deny them rights or to call for abuse. In this instance the "hate crime" is merely saying someone's biological sex is x, even if they say they are y. However, If I called a non-trans woman a man or a non-trans…

What do you think is the fundamental joke the article is making? The only joke I see is "a trans person exists". The article isn't about her policies, her performance in her job, or even complexities in our evolving definition of either sex or gender like you are implying. The joke is that this person is trans. The message of that joke is the existence of a trans person in public is worthy of mockery. Therefore the o…

> What do you think is the fundamental joke the article is making?

That a man was voted “Woman of the Year”.

By any non-tautological definition of “woman” and “man”, that’s objectively true.

Are we not allowed to point out obvious truths when people claim the opposite?

Re: “Twitter will be forming a content moderation council with diverse viewpoints”

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Post by mlindner »

judah wrote: post #521
mlindner wrote: post #505

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Babylon Bee was never unbanned (because they were never banned in the first place, just suspended and continue to be suspended) and Ye was unbanned before Elon Musk ever took over.

Babylon Bee's Seth Dillon put it[0] this way: > "The Babylon Bee was tossed in Twitter jail 7 months ago for a joke that referred to an adult male as a man. We could have restored our account at any time by deleting the tweet, but we refused. It was the right call. Never censor yourself, and never apologize for speaking truth." [0]: https://twitter.com/SethDillon/status/1585633678977544192?s=...

That's not the topic I'm talking about. I'm talking about the factual events of what occurred. The comment is neutral on whether it should have been suspended or not. The comment is just stating that Babylon Bee was never banned, the account still exists and it's status has not changed since that initial event and Elon Musk has had nothing to do with it.

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Post by [deleted] »

ajross wrote: post #507
partiallypro wrote: post #441

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No, because those aren't even remotely similar things. It wouldn't be a "hate crime" to call a Catholic a Protestant, or a Gay person a Straight person or a Black person a white person. It would be a hateful to deny them rights or to call for abuse. In this instance the "hate crime" is merely saying someone's biological sex is x, even if they say they are y. However, If I called a non-trans woman a man or a non-trans…

> In this instance the "hate crime" is merely saying someone's biological sex is x, even if they say they are y. That's mischaracterizing what was said. Here's the actual article: https://babylonbee.com/news/the-babylon-bees-man-of-the-year... This is ridicule, quite clearly. I won't get into the "is it or is it not a hate crime" bit, but this isn't "merely" stating anything. The term "biological sex" doesn't even ap…

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Post by sarlalian »

khazhoux wrote: post #497
vdnkh wrote: post #381

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Not to mention that the person who attacked Pelosi's husband with a hammer was also posting transphobic crap (along with a lot of other right-wing garbage). Hate online definitely has real world impact.

Is there any evidence he was specifically influenced and motivated by online rhetoric?

Yes
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