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Ladioss wrote: post #376
sigmoid10 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still not sure how I feel about China of all places to control the only alternative AI stack, but I guess it's better than leaving everything to the US alone. If China ever feels emboldened enough to go for Taiwan and the US descends into complete chaos, the rest of the world running on AI will be at the mercy of authoritarian regimes. At the very least you can be sure noone is in this for the good of the people anym…

I always find it an illuminating experience about the power of mass propaganda every time I see an American believe they somewhat have the moral high ground over China, despite starting a new war somewhere around the globe either for petrol or on behalf of Israel every six months.

I always find the China glazing online getting worse and worse.

TikTok and Hasan has really turned the West against itself.

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by bigyabai »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #759
chvid wrote: post #322

The incredible arrogance and hybris of the American initiated tech war - it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. The US-China contest aside - it is in the application layer llms will show their value. There the field, with llm commoditization and no clear monopolies, is wide open. There was a point in time where it looked like llms would the domain of a single well guarded monopoly - that would have…

>- it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. I feel uneasy over China dominance as much as the US. I trust US more still as Europe has a post WW2 relationship. I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake. China is a totilitarian dictatorship. This is a fact. Look into Mistral AI too :…

FWIW, I am a lifelong American citizen and I exclusively use Chinese AI models for programming because I consider Claude and Codex to be highway robbery for the price.

Trust whoever you want, I just don't have the patience (or money) for American models.

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Post by riskd »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #759
chvid wrote: post #322

The incredible arrogance and hybris of the American initiated tech war - it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. The US-China contest aside - it is in the application layer llms will show their value. There the field, with llm commoditization and no clear monopolies, is wide open. There was a point in time where it looked like llms would the domain of a single well guarded monopoly - that would have…

>- it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. I feel uneasy over China dominance as much as the US. I trust US more still as Europe has a post WW2 relationship. I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake. China is a totilitarian dictatorship. This is a fact. Look into Mistral AI too :…

Are third world users opinions of lesser value?

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

segmondy wrote: post #644
hodgehog11 wrote: post #304

There are quite a few comments here about benchmark and coding performance. I would like to offer some opinions regarding its capacity for mathematics problems in an active research setting. I have a collection of novel probability and statistics problems at the masters and PhD level with varying degrees of feasibility. My test suite involves running these problems through first (often with about 2-6 papers for conte…

They have had the best math models for about a year most folks just didn't know about it. You can't find inference on APIs, but I run these at home, this is also the advantage of open models. https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Math-V2 https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Prover-V2-671B

You run a 671B model at home?

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Post by hodgehog11 »

MinimalAction wrote: post #667
hodgehog11 wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to give away too much due to anonymity reasons, but the problems are generally in the following areas (in order from hardest to easiest): - One problem on using quantum mechanics and C*-algebra techniques for non-Markovian stochastic processes. The interchange between the physics and probability languages often trips the models up, so pretty much everything tends to fail here. - Three problems in random…

Regarding the first problem: are you looking at NCP maps for non-Markovian processes given you mention C*-algebra? Or is it more of a continuous weak monitoring of a stochastic system that results in dynamics with memory effects? I'd be very curious to know how any LLMs fare. I completely understand if you don't want to continue the discussion because of anonymity reasons.

More of the latter. It's a pet project of mine, and all of the LLMs tend to utterly fail at getting anywhere with it, at least in chats. In an agentic setup, it can chip away at some aspects, but it needs serious guidance on relevant language, notation, and concepts. To me, it demonstrates that the LLMs are not particularly good at crossing literatures, but then again, humans rarely seem to be good at that either...

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

riskd wrote: post #763
Scroll_Swe wrote: post #759

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>- it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. I feel uneasy over China dominance as much as the US. I trust US more still as Europe has a post WW2 relationship. I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake. China is a totilitarian dictatorship. This is a fact. Look into Mistral AI too :…

Are third world users opinions of lesser value?

When people from developing countries praise China and communism while criticizing the United States and claiming “Europe is the same,” I find it hard to take their views seriously.

I think their stance often comes from a strong anti-Western bias, and sometimes from feelings of resentment.

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Post by 0x737368 »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #759
chvid wrote: post #322

The incredible arrogance and hybris of the American initiated tech war - it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. The US-China contest aside - it is in the application layer llms will show their value. There the field, with llm commoditization and no clear monopolies, is wide open. There was a point in time where it looked like llms would the domain of a single well guarded monopoly - that would have…

>- it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. I feel uneasy over China dominance as much as the US. I trust US more still as Europe has a post WW2 relationship. I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake. China is a totilitarian dictatorship. This is a fact. Look into Mistral AI too :…

And then westerners wonder why they're disliked in the rest of the world...

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Post by Rover222 »

Ladioss wrote: post #376
sigmoid10 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still not sure how I feel about China of all places to control the only alternative AI stack, but I guess it's better than leaving everything to the US alone. If China ever feels emboldened enough to go for Taiwan and the US descends into complete chaos, the rest of the world running on AI will be at the mercy of authoritarian regimes. At the very least you can be sure noone is in this for the good of the people anym…

I always find it an illuminating experience about the power of mass propaganda every time I see an American believe they somewhat have the moral high ground over China, despite starting a new war somewhere around the globe either for petrol or on behalf of Israel every six months.

Chinese citizens will go to jail if they are too critical of their own government. How hard is it for you to wrap your head around those implications?

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

rib3ye wrote: post #594
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been baffled watching America double down on the same strategy even when it failed to produce results They sanctioned the hell out of Huawei and now Huawei is bigger than ever America is just not able to digest the idea that another country can be as good, if not better, at innovation

Because it worked on Japan in the 80s and 90s and sometimes “Americans” have a hard time telling the two cultures apart.

Weird why Americans would think that the coercion that worked against an essentially vassal state with no independent military would work against a non-aligned nuclear powered state with a strong, independent military

Sovereign and non-sovereign nations have completely different decision matrices for dealing with external threats

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Post by [deleted] »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #759
chvid wrote: post #322

The incredible arrogance and hybris of the American initiated tech war - it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. The US-China contest aside - it is in the application layer llms will show their value. There the field, with llm commoditization and no clear monopolies, is wide open. There was a point in time where it looked like llms would the domain of a single well guarded monopoly - that would have…

>- it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. I feel uneasy over China dominance as much as the US. I trust US more still as Europe has a post WW2 relationship. I notice many comments being pro China but they seem to be from the third world (one mentioned a very low salary) I feel the opening of the internet was a mistake. China is a totilitarian dictatorship. This is a fact. Look into Mistral AI too :…

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