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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by mark_l_watson »

codybontecou wrote: post #178
g-mork wrote: post #77

My answer to this is simply rolling back to the pro plan for interactive usage in the coming month, and forcefully cutting myself over to one of the alternative Chinese models to just get over the hump and normalise API pricing at a sensible rate with sensible semantics. Dealing with Claude going into stupid mode 15 times a day, constant HTTP errors, etc. just isn't really worth it for all it does. I can't see myself…

Are you using the Chinese models through their individual services or via an intermediary layer?

I am not the person you are responding to but I have tried both: using OpenRouter and also giving a Chinese company $5 on my credit card to buy tokens. If I know what model I want to experiment with, I much prefer to just pay $5 and have plenty of tokens to experiment. On a yearly basis, this is a very tiny expense for the benefits of getting plenty of tokens to experiment with.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by sroussey »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #680
asdfaoeu wrote: post #668

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or alternatively just pay based on what you use? I.e. $/tokens.

They offer that, API pricing. Or "extra usage" which they're saying you can still use for OpenClaw. It's really expensive!

Everyone want to take their subsidies from the consumer subs and use them to avoid paying the real costs.

Even the API pricing is subsidized by investors. When that stop, pricing will escalate.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by mark_l_watson »

rhodysurf wrote: post #242
g-mork wrote: post #77

My answer to this is simply rolling back to the pro plan for interactive usage in the coming month, and forcefully cutting myself over to one of the alternative Chinese models to just get over the hump and normalise API pricing at a sensible rate with sensible semantics. Dealing with Claude going into stupid mode 15 times a day, constant HTTP errors, etc. just isn't really worth it for all it does. I can't see myself…

This is what I did, downgraded to pro and pay for opencode zen for the open models. I like the combo of the two

Oh, https://opencode.ai/zen looks good. I like pay as you go plans since I usually don’t use many tokens compared to vibe coders.

I regret paying Google for a one year AI subscription last spring (although it was a deep discount over the regular $20/month cost) because it has kept me from experimenting with many venders (but it was a fantastic deal financially).

I just put a reminder on my calendar to try OpenCode zen when my subscription ends.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by trashface »

dimmke wrote: post #269
jmalicki wrote: post #190

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You aren't paying to be using that limit all of the time. You are paying to be using that limit some of the time. There are 5 hour windows when you are sleeping and can't use it. There are weekend limits. Theoretically you can max out every 5 hour window, but they lose money on that. It's structured so users can have bursts of unlimited usage, and spend ~15% of the theoretical max cap, and that's still cheaper than a…

I feel like Anthropic is going down a bad path here with billing things this way. Especially as local LLM continues to develop so fast. I downgraded from my $200 a month plan to my $20 plan and hit limits constantly. I try to use the API access I purchased separately, and it doesn't work with Claude Code (something about the 1 million context requiring extra usage) so I have to use it Continue. Then I get instantly r…

We can hope that they optimize the models. I still think its going to be very hard for them to charge $100 or $200 a month at scale from many people, especially with AI "taking jobs". To the extent that happens most of those people won't find replacement income.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by tempest_ »

Nevermark wrote: post #571
chii wrote: post #456

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> there is a wide distribution of actual use except when people start using openclaw, and the distribution narrows (to that of a power user). I hate companies that try to oversell capacity but hides it in the expected usage distribution. Same goes for internet bandwidth from ISP (or download limit - rarer these days, but exists). Or airplane seats. Or electricity.

> I hate companies that try to oversell capacity but hides it in the expected usage distribution. Except they charge you less because of the distribution. Competition for customers doesn't evaporate.

Why would you assume that to be?

They might charge you less, but they don't have to and wont if the market allows it

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by visarga »

syl5x wrote: post #665

I am actively using ohmypi harness which is based on pi-mono which I believe is within OpenClaw, I don't personally use OpenClaw but I suspect that I will be affected. The reason that I use ohmypi is because I can extend it and put guardrails specific for our company and myself (those are different from SKILLs and more sophisticated than the hooks) + I like the ability to start "tasks" with faster models like gpt5.4-…

I built a harness where my plans and code are reviewed with 'claude -p' but most work is interactive, now it has been wrecked. I relied and integrated with Anthropic to get burned. I'm not even maxing out my plan, never surpassed 60%. But now I have to pay API pricing on top? This tells me how trustworthy Anthropic is. If you depend on any specific feature you are at their mercy.

Prior to Anthropic I have had bad experiences with Windsurf and Cursor, same shit - I pay the plan, they shrink my usage quota after a short time, couple of months or weeks. I never returned to Windsurf after they abused me, and never used Cursor after I got my Claude sub, I have no idea where I'll end up next. Too bad Anthropic is pushing my $200/mo away.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by jmalicki »

goosejuice wrote: post #480
gregjw wrote: post #440

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I need a hypothetical use case for things like this, I don't get how so many people have so much desire for use of features like this.

https://martinfowler.com/articles/harness-engineering.html it's being talked about everywhere. If you manage developers or product folk, do you allow them to work when you're not looking over their shoulder? All developers can be managers/team leads now. You plan, you delegate, you review. You're welcome to not do this, surely that's appropriate in quite a few areas of work, but many of us are because we can get more…

The actual /loop and cron are beyond the normal "agentic loop"

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by jmalicki »

sroussey wrote: post #752
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #680

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They offer that, API pricing. Or "extra usage" which they're saying you can still use for OpenClaw. It's really expensive!

Everyone want to take their subsidies from the consumer subs and use them to avoid paying the real costs. Even the API pricing is subsidized by investors. When that stop, pricing will escalate.

Is API pricing subsidized on a unit basis?

Most estimates I've seen have shown that API usage seems to be at least unit profitable (paying for infra and electricity, not R&D)

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by alsetmusic »

duskdozer wrote: post #636
jyrkesh wrote: post #442

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"Unlimited" has always been a lie. There is no free lunch. There are always limits. I've had to unwind "unlimited" within startups that oversold. I've been bit by ISPs, storage providers, music streamers, fuckin _Ubers_, now AI subscription services, that all dealt in "unlimited". None of them delivered in the long run. I'd be mad at Anthropic if it weren't for the fact that my experience now can see this sort of thi…

You can both know that "unlimited" means "limited" and also be pissed that they market it as such and try to conceal the actual limits.

> You can both know that "unlimited" means "limited" and also be pissed that they market it as such and try to conceal the actual limits.

Reminds me of when ATT had a fake 5G decoration on phones.

"AT&T won’t remove fake 5G logo even after ad board says it’s misleading"[0]

You can just get away with lying. That's the level of enforcement that exists against unethical behavior in business today.

0. https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/20/21265048/att-5g-e-mislead...

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by jmalicki »

jyrkesh wrote: post #442
dimmke wrote: post #296

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This is a different case - those all have limitations based on human behavior (it's not necessary or possible to constantly be washing your car the entire month when you pay for unlimited washes) - that doesn't exist here. The types of plans available should reflect that reality. If gyms faced a situation where people would go and spend 18 hours working out every day for a month, they would probably change how they b…

"Unlimited" has always been a lie. There is no free lunch. There are always limits. I've had to unwind "unlimited" within startups that oversold. I've been bit by ISPs, storage providers, music streamers, fuckin _Ubers_, now AI subscription services, that all dealt in "unlimited". None of them delivered in the long run. I'd be mad at Anthropic if it weren't for the fact that my experience now can see this sort of thi…

This is all just the classic "the first hit's free" business model.
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