Haha, I almost expected this.
Say goodbye to my 600$/ month Anthropic.
Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#72This is slightly different from what OpenCode was banned from doing; they were a separate harness grabbing a user’s Claude Code session and pretending to be Claude Code. OpenClaw was still using Claude Code as the harness (via claude -p)[0]. I understand why Anthropic is doing this (and they’ve made it clear that building products around claude -p is disallowed) but I fear Conductor will be next. [0]: See “Option B:…
Why are they doing that? Opus is the only good way to run Claw. Do they regret making it cheaper or what? Also what's the point of Claude -p if not integration with 3rd party code? (They have a whole agents SDK which does the same thing.. but I think that one requires per token pricing.) I guess they regret supporting subscription auth on the -p flag
exactly. They probably have unsustainable margins on accident.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#73There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Claude to go up or B) get banned to protect the price of the service for actual users.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#74So is Codex the only SOTA that welcomes third-party harness?
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#75Marketing geniuses. They had 2 options here: 1. Make a better product/alternative to Openclaw and start eating their userbase. They hold the advantage because the ones "using their servers too much" are already their clients so they could reach out and keep trying to convert. Openclaw literally brought them customers at the door. 2. Do everyone royally and get them off their platform - with a strong feeling of dislik…
From you can tell from they long-term strategy they are not marketing geniuses, but rather they try to signal are "moral geniuses". That's the game they are playing, I don't really know if it is going to work or not.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#76That's why I am using Codex. I slightly prefer Claude in terms of code quality, but it's close, but not being able to use my subscription with other CLIs and apps ruins Claude for me.
Indeed, this is the outcome they are going to create. It seems like their goal is to get people using their core tools, and they want that bad enough to subsidize it for some users. The net effect on users like me however, will be the exact opposite. I'll be switching to a different tool.
Yeah and it doesn't help that the claude CLI itself IMO isn't that great. It feels a bit like a sloppy vibe coded app. So they are forcing me to use an inferior product.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#77My answer to this is simply rolling back to the pro plan for interactive usage in the coming month, and forcefully cutting myself over to one of the alternative Chinese models to just get over the hump and normalise API pricing at a sensible rate with sensible semantics.
Dealing with Claude going into stupid mode 15 times a day, constant HTTP errors, etc. just isn't really worth it for all it does. I can't see myself justifying $200/mo. on any replacement tool either, the output just doesn't warrant it.
I think we all jumped on the AI mothership with our eyes closed and it's time to dial some nuance back into things. Most of the time I'm just using Opus as a bulk code autocomplete that really doesn't take much smarts comparatively speaking. But when I do lean on it for actual fiddly bug fixing or ideation, I'm regularly left disappointed and working by hand anyway. I'd prefer to set my expectations (and willingness to pay) a little lower just to get a consistent slightly dumb agent rather than an overpriced one that continually lets me down. I don't think that's a problem fixed by trying to swap in another heavily marketed cure-all like Gemini or Codex, it's solved by adjusting expectations.
In terms of pricing, $200 buys an absolute ton of GLM or Minimax, so much that I'd doubt my own usage is going to get anywhere close to $200 going by ccusage output. Minimax generating a single output stream at its max throughput 24/7 only comes to about $90/mo.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#78This is why people are switching over to Codex
Codex just ended their double-usage offer and OpenAI just had an exec shakeup, so it'll be interesting to see how Codex reacts, or if people have usage issues with Codex.
OpenAI mentioned already that it's ok to use Codex with Openclaw.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#79Super confusing email. Not sure why I received. Am i to assume my account was flagged? I only use my subscription for Claude Code. UPDATE: reply on x Thariq @trq212 only flagged accounts, but you can still claim the credit
Any idea what caused your account to be flagged, then?
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#80Looks like I'm going to be switching to OpenAI. I know the whole "well those are the terms" Stockholm syndrome argument, but no, those weren't the terms when I signed up. If one of the parties decided to unilaterally change terms in any other everyday situation, nobody would think it was acceptable, but we've become so resigned to corporations having enough money to make the law suit them that we think it's moral beh…
Anthropic changing their terms is fine. You taking your money elsewhere is also fine. What's the issue here?