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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#42Looks like I'm going to be switching to OpenAI. I know the whole "well those are the terms" Stockholm syndrome argument, but no, those weren't the terms when I signed up. If one of the parties decided to unilaterally change terms in any other everyday situation, nobody would think it was acceptable, but we've become so resigned to corporations having enough money to make the law suit them that we think it's moral behavior.
No, Anthropic, just because you added a clause that says "we can change these terms whenever" doesn't make it right. I'm paying you a set amount of money a month for a set amount of tokens (that's what limits are), and I should be able to use these tokens however I want.
Luckily, there are alternatives.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#43Anthropic measures your usage based on token consumption We are paying for a certain amount of token consumption Why then, is this an outsized strain on your system Anthropic? It's like buying gasoline from Shell, and then Shell's terms of services forcing you to use that gas in a Hummer that does 5 MPG, while everyone else wants to drive any other vehicle.
You are making the false assumption that all token consumption costs the same when it doesn't. Yes in the limit the price to serve the model and generate a response is O(tokens), but when tokens is smaller it can be cheaper to generate a new token than when tokens is bigger. If other harnesses prompt with more tokens than Claude Code it can be more expensive to serve.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#44Big Giant Million Dollar Question: Where does having Openclaw using Claude Code via ACP fall? It's using the Claude Code harness, not the model directly.
If you are not aware, ACP creates a persistent session for steering rather than using the models directly.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#45Anthropic measures your usage based on token consumption We are paying for a certain amount of token consumption Why then, is this an outsized strain on your system Anthropic? It's like buying gasoline from Shell, and then Shell's terms of services forcing you to use that gas in a Hummer that does 5 MPG, while everyone else wants to drive any other vehicle.
I feel icky replying in favor of a for-profit entity, but here goes .. > We are paying for a certain amount of token consumption I dont think you are. The specific arrangement you have is you pay for a subscription to be used with Claude Code. It isnt access to tokens, so you can do whatever you please. --- An analogy would be a refillable cup for a soda at a restuarnt. They will allow you to refill how many ever tim…
The analogy is bad. Anthropic does not let you "refill however many times you want", they have limits. That's what "limits" in your account is.
It would be like the restaurant saying "you can buy the 2-liter soda pack" and then getting all uppity when you bring your own 2L hydroflask in.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#46Anthropic measures your usage based on token consumption We are paying for a certain amount of token consumption Why then, is this an outsized strain on your system Anthropic? It's like buying gasoline from Shell, and then Shell's terms of services forcing you to use that gas in a Hummer that does 5 MPG, while everyone else wants to drive any other vehicle.
You are making the false assumption that all token consumption costs the same when it doesn't. Yes in the limit the price to serve the model and generate a response is O(tokens), but when tokens is smaller it can be cheaper to generate a new token than when tokens is bigger. If other harnesses prompt with more tokens than Claude Code it can be more expensive to serve.
They have limits. I don't care how expensive it is to serve, I'm paying them for a given amount of tokens (a limit which THEY SET) and they want to also dictate where I spend those tokens.
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#47This is slightly different from what OpenCode was banned from doing; they were a separate harness grabbing a user’s Claude Code session and pretending to be Claude Code.
OpenClaw was still using Claude Code as the harness (via claude -p)[0]. I understand why Anthropic is doing this (and they’ve made it clear that building products around claude -p is disallowed) but I fear Conductor will be next.
[0]: See “Option B: Claude CLI as the message provider” here https://docs.openclaw.ai/providers/anthropic#option-b-claude...
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#48> We’ve been working to manage demand across the board, but these tools put an outsized strain on our systems. Capacity is a resource we manage carefully and we need to prioritize our customers using our core products.
but couldn't i use this in off times only?
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#49The solution as usual is open source. For example... We recently moved a very expensive sonnet 4.6 agent to step-3.5-flash and it works surprising well. Obviously step-3.5-flash is nowhere near the raw performance of sonnet but step works perfectly fine for this case. Another personal observation is that we are most likely going to see a lot of micro coding agent architectures everywhere. We have several such cases.…
Yeah this is similar to my approach, although with slightly more powerful models. I’m just not having a good time letting the sota models loose on a code base to implement entire features. Spending too much time cleaning up the mess. It’s my fault, I needed to guide it more, but it would take the same amount of time to use a faster model to generate smaller chunks and also cost less. And I’m not even doing anything particularly complex!
inb4 skill issue I could probably beat you coding by hand with you using Claude code
Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw
#50I received it too. I wonder if they sent this to all pro/max subscribers or only those who they’ve flagged as having used a third party harness.
I'm a pro subscriber and didn't get this so I wager its accounts they detect because i only use it in the browser and haven't seen this.