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Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by chm » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 10:50 PM UTC

kibibu wrote: post #740

chm wrote: post #649

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Disable JS on Apple.com and reload the pages. They should render flawlessly and give you back responsiveness, without the animations. (I'm talking about their iPad Pro and Mac Pro product pages, not necessarily the whole site.)

You think the above site is acceptable because it works well if you disable JavaScript ?

Yes. For me it makes no difference because JS is not enabled. So for my use case, it is acceptable. Visit the Surface Book page without JS. You'll see it renders perfectly fine and all the information is there!

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by munchbunny » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 10:52 PM UTC

freehunter wrote: post #727

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It doesn't sound like you are making fair comparisons between Thinkpads and Macbooks. My 15" T550 is just .2 lbs heavier than a 15" Macbook Pro. The charger for my T550 is much lighter than the one I have for my Macbook Pro, so the overall weight might actually favor the Thinkpad. The 13" business-class ultrabooks that Lenovo sells are pretty close in weight to the 13" Macbook Pro and the Macbook Air. It sounds like…

Thinkpad W520. Core i7, like a Macbook. 16GB of RAM, like a Macbook. Spinning hard drive, worse than a Macbook. Has a desktop video card that is required in order to use video out, but you have to reboot and enable the video card, then it won't sleep until you reboot and disable the card... unlike a Macbook. Because Nvidia won't make Linux drivers for Optimus. No, it's not in the same class as a Macbook, that's half…

I'm a bit curious why a traveling consultant is outfitted with what is marketed as a "workstation in a laptop form factor". Seems like a mismatch of use case to product.

I travel a lot, sometimes for work, sometimes for leisure, so when I chose my personal computer I went with a Thinkpad X230. Fast enough to compile C++ code for my game programming hobby, fast enough to do my excel stuff for work, and the integrated graphics card can drive two external 1920x1200 screens comfortably. Just don't expect to play any graphically intensive games. With the help of a spare battery I kept around I could get 12-14 hours out of it if, for example, I were flying to Asia.

My point being, perhaps your experience had more to do with being given a computer that definitely did not fit your work/life style? Though I'd agree with you that the W520 was not well designed.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by mh8h » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 10:53 PM UTC

Lx1oG-AWb6h_ZG0 wrote: post #616

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How can we trust Microsoft Azure then?! Not even able to serve their own product

https://www.microsoft.com/surface/assets/.. . is resolving to 2600:1409:a:18c::2768, which is owned by Akamai. But your point still stands: even Microsoft doesn't trust Azure's CDN offering.

Isn't the Azure CDN offering through Akamai?

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by tmd83 » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 10:53 PM UTC

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This! At least from the initial look and spec it looks like they did a lot of the things right and put effort in making this nice. Yes there are things that maybe I can get by without but the basics looks fantastic. You don't chip $50 off a premium laptop and make it crappy. OEM just keeps making too many model at every price point .. at every 20 dollars it feels like. While I hate the almost singular choice for OsX…

And every price point has one thing you want that the other ones don't have, so you end up sophie's choice-ing your way through Dell's website. And then you go from their Home to their Business site and the prices, features, bundles, and add-ons are different for the same hardware. It's the same reason Google started making Nexus phones: so that someone , somewhere , would make a good Android phone without messing so…

Exactly. I mean there are basic things for which you shouldn't have to hunt models. Anything with the basic size, shape and weight should have the standard ports and connectors I am guessing they are cheap enough. Having to shop for a different line of laptop for want of 2 USB 3 port is ridiculous. This is a made up example but you get the meaning.

What I think can be reasonable price points for laptop

  Basic build vs. premium construction (Non-plastic super rigid maybe)
  Weight (regular vs ultra light)
  Ports, keyboard, touchpad should be standard I think. Maybe premium ones might have the latest techs but nothing should be atrocious.
  The next bit should be priced based off whats chosen but really most cpu, ram, storage, display should be available on all model. You might restrict the premium to some high end configuration but even on a non-premium build you should be able to get high end display for most part.

What you shouldn't end up is having a $1400 vs. $1500 line of products where the $1400 has got better ports or display option then the $1500 laptop.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by MiguelHudnandez » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 10:55 PM UTC

sixothree wrote: post #624

dade_ wrote: post #493

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And for those of us early adopters with the Surface Pro 3, I can upgrade my pen and use the new charging doc. Well done. Feels thoughtful, not something I can say about my Asus Windows tablet experience.

Can you use the old dock with the Surface Pro 4?

It is probable. I can't find perfect specifications, but the dimensions of the Pro 3 and Pro 4 are very similar. Lining up the machines visually, as shown in the image linked below, indicates that the dock port is in the same place and is the same size. That's by no means proof but it's not ruled out. The USB and DisplayPort certainly change by comparison.

I have ~20 Surface Pro 3's in production so I am very interested in this answer.

Surface Pro 4: 11.5" x 7.93" x 0.33"

Surface Pro 3: 11.5" x 7.93" x 0.36"

http://i.imgur.com/aUCyzLi.gif

Again, this is a sloppy image comparison, not a guarantee.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by biftek » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 10:56 PM UTC

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Apple isn't exactly who I would point to as a good comparison. They have plenty of overdesigned pages: http://www.apple.com/mac-pro/

Flash?! Wow, I wasn't expecting that from Apple.

That's not flash, it's just video:

http://movies.apple.com/media/us/mac-pro/2013/16C1b6b5-1d91-...

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by agumonkey » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 10:57 PM UTC

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VAIO had an edge a while back. Toshiba still throw some stuff from time to time. Panasonic too but in the survivor category.

Somewhat off topic, what're Vaio users migrating to? I look every year or so to see what the current laptop offerings are, and nothing has convinced me to leave my 5+ year old Vaio.

What model is it ? I'm looking to buy and old 10 or 11inch my teacher had around 2008. It was said the laptop case was carbon fiber based. It had a core2duo inside. A really cute machine.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by ryanburk » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 10:59 PM UTC

sixothree wrote: post #624

dade_ wrote: post #493

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And for those of us early adopters with the Surface Pro 3, I can upgrade my pen and use the new charging doc. Well done. Feels thoughtful, not something I can say about my Asus Windows tablet experience.

Can you use the old dock with the Surface Pro 4?

yes[1]. I thought I read that they promised this at the surface pro 3 launch but I can't find proof of that.

[1] http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/tablets/1403174/microsoft-sur...

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by lhl » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 11:02 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #651

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This is what I was hopeful for when VAIO was spun off of SONY last year. When I saw the "machined magnesium body" line in their video [1] I was immediately reminded of the VAIO laptops that had beautiful material way back in the 90's. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVfOe5mFbAE&feature=youtu.be

I still miss the z series... But the z series had ethernet ports. This surface thing is useless to me.

You can order a new Z here: http://us.vaio.com/

As a pleasant surprise, it still has a built-in RJ45.

Re: New Windows 10 Devices From Microsoft

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Post by igrekel » Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 11:03 PM UTC

pkkp wrote: post #16

nullrouted wrote: post #3

I think the Surface Book is finally something that can give the MacBook Pro line a run for its money, this should be interesting.

My thoughts exactly. To me, OS/X's quality has been slipping, but I haven't found any non-Apple hardware that's comparable. If they get the trackpad and keyboard right on it, this will open a lot of interesting doors.

Can only agree about the quality slipping.

It used to be that your computer was faster with every release of OS X. It hasn't been true for a few releases now. Oh that and my niece's iPhone 5c (not even a year old) was bricked by an iOS update. And the only thing Apple offers is a discount on the purchase of a new one...