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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by presbyterian »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #382
johnfn wrote: post #321

As someone who generally liked the products that OpenAI puts out, I think Sora was their first product that I really didn't like. I liked GPT primarily because I felt like it respected me: I never felt like it was trying to distract me from my work or get me to waste time doomscrolling. It's primary value proposition to keep me using it wasn't to trick me with addictive content, but to get me high quality answers as…

For me, Sora changed the way I viewed Sam Altman as a person. I really thought he wasn't like the previous generations of tech leaders - as you mentioned OpenAI (with him in charge) seemed to be genuine about making a product that could improve people's lives. He'd go on podcasts and quite convincingly talk about how ChatGPT could prevent real world harm like suicide, and possibly even contribute to helping disease t…

> ChatGPT could prevent real world harm like suicide

It could prevent suicide, maybe, but we know that it does cause suicides, at least in some cases. Seems like a poor value proposition.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by lnenad »

jjulius wrote: post #686
lnenad wrote: post #681

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Context is tech, I agree. Is there no tech in weapons? Palantir? Drones? Are there developers that are proud when they made the kill machine 1% more precise; more optimized?

Plenty of HN threads about Palantir and drones also have people commenting about their evil. Just because one thing is a lesser/different kind doesn't mean we can't also be vigilant about it as well.

I'm not arguing that, OP said

> RIP to one of the most evil products I've seen come out of the tech industry in my lifetime.

I'm saying Sora isn't even in the top 100 of most evil products out of the tech industry.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by muskstinks »

Hendrikto wrote: post #591
muskstinks wrote: post #556

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For OpenAI that was and felt like some side husle they were playing around nothing more. Having Disney on their side was def quite a smart/interesting move. At least from one interview, they def had resource issues last year and teams had to fight for it. Can easily be that sora was always priortized down and they realized it doesn't make sense to spend that much capacity while then not being able to push their main…

It never made sense and was always just burning resources that OpenAI does not have. It reeks so much of desperation. They know they are running out of goodwill and money at breakneck speed. They are just flailing and throwing shit against the wall to see if anything sticks.

Everyone is doing image generation. Its realtivly easy and I would say it would be a people mover if openai wouldn't support this.

So they need to be able to do image generation, for which they need image data. They also need to be able to analyze videos for more and better training data like learning or teaching there models from yt and other sources.

So they have image generation, image dataset and video dataset. Its not far fetched ata ll or desperate to leverage this base for playing around with video generation.

And despite how much money they burn, for a company that size, trying out video generation wasn't that high of a goal post.

I'm really surprised by there move and can only imagine that the progress of other models from google and antrophic pulls their teeth and no longer want to invest the compute (not money) to leverage their compute for their main models.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by code_for_monkey »

muzani wrote: post #511
yoz-y wrote: post #505

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The problem is that due to the ease these can be made there is also really no reason to make this social. “Why would I look at somebody else’s creations when I can do mine.”

They're different impulses. Some want to consume. Others want to create. TikTok and social media is a strange mix of both, people posting response videos to everything. Personally, I've stopped subscribing to Spotify, YT music, etc because the slop from Suno is good enough to replace mainstream music or whatever lofi playlist. It's free, it's good enough, and it's not grating to hear after a few days of that favorite…

you could not waterboard an admission of bad taste like this out of me

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by petethomas »

ifethereal wrote: post #700
WarmWash wrote: post #673

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I'm reminded of a video from the 80's/90's where researchers took a TV to the Amazon to see how "live off the land" tribes reacted to high technology. Apparently they stopped doing everything and just wanted to watch TV all day. And that was just regular old TV. Short form video is a special kind of crack. I see even old people getting hypnotized by it. And even worse, they're terrible at determining if something is…

Can anyone come up with a citation for this? Not to say it's a hallucination, but, to modern standards, if this were publicly funded research, it seems like it would have been a gross violation of ethics or other non-technical criteria. Interested to see how people think of it in later years, e.g., now.

Probably this https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1525/var...

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by alcasa »

k__ wrote: post #739
asim wrote: post #545

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and…

"coding is the prime use case for this where you can make money" Is it? I have the impression GenAI deteriorates the internet both from a content and tech perspective. Bots that waste your time because they don't work well or because they are pushing an agenda, and low quality content that floods social media from people who want to make a quick buck. GitHub and AWS became increasingly unstable. X, Instagram, and Wha…

I fear people will just get used to it. Nobody gets tailored clothing anyhmore and people don't question that we have standardized sizes that don't really fit anyone properly. People commonly buy standardized furniture and rarely get something to a specific for their room. If cheaper software (I mean thats mostly what it is) gets the job done, we will probably just keep doing that, even if that means we lose something in the process.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by Nifty3929 »

meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

It's not really that people wouldn't come back - it's that they were losing money on each customer.

Those 100 videos probably cost $100+ for them to create. Did you pay them $100+? (not a critisism, just a re-framing)

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by pjc50 »

superultra wrote: post #724
asim wrote: post #545

Sometimes I think my opinion means nothing on these topics, especially when it's going to get buried in a thread of 500 plus comments. But I think you finally see a little bit of a flaw in the strategy or just a little bit of insight into what was desperation for relevance and to try to very quickly attain what other companies have attained but essentially what they're seeing is this gradual reduction in ambition and…

Had Waffle House with some friends who mostly work in blue collar industries. One guy who works at a timber mill used Claude code to redo their ordering system. Took him about a month to go from knowing nothing about Claude Code to finishing the system. Basically just copied a proprietary software product that costs them upward $20k a year. They’re keeping that other product to cross check but so far the Claude coded…

I'm converging on this as the real end state: it's a "better Excel" for general business work. And has some of the same limitations - maintainability and security. But there are also plenty of small businesses that run off a shared Excel spreadsheet and a few mailboxes.

Nobody ever really solved making CRUD apps easier through better frameworks. So now we have a tool to spit out framework gunk, and suddenly everyone can have their own app.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by pjc50 »

WarmWash wrote: post #682
yoz-y wrote: post #505

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that due to the ease these can be made there is also really no reason to make this social. “Why would I look at somebody else’s creations when I can do mine.”

I'm not an artist or creative person in any sense. My persona is closer to a settings menu than a colorful canvas. The AI art I have seen creatives produce is far beyond anything I have been able to come up with. We're not at the point yet where you can just prompt "Make me a video that is visually stunning and captivating" and get something cool.

> The AI art I have seen creatives produce is far beyond anything I have been able to come up with

.. such as? What's the "Mona Lisa of AI art"? Is there, like, a gallery? Awards?

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Post by pjc50 »

m3kw9 wrote: post #643
meken wrote: post #163

I had so much fun making videos with my mom when it came out. During the first two weeks, we made over 100 cameo videos together - we were constantly running up against the upload limit. It unleashed tons of genuine creativity, joy, and laughter from us. After those first two weeks though, we just… didn’t use it again. The novelty wore off and there wasn’t anything really to bring us back. That was the real downfall…

Humans are very good at pattern recognition, even if you generate different stuff, you still see a pattern, either in the cutting, color, cadence of movements, the color grading, camera lens used, everything, your mind will tag it as slop. Essentially you are watching the same videos over and over subconsciously

This is something that people working on procedurally generated games have already noticed. No Man's Sky has billions of planets, each with "unique" plant and animal species, but you can easily sort them into a few dozen templates with minor variations.

Procgen has a niche, but it never became ubiquitous, because for most people exploring a nice hand-made intentional environment is better.

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