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Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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I've had this conversation with people many times, a consequence is that some of them have no idea what caramelised onions actually are - they think it's the state you get to after 10 mins. Thinly slice 10 onions, dump them in a big pot with some oil on a medium heat for 10-15 minutes stirring frequently. Then turn the heat down to low and cook for a further 45-60 mins, check on it and stir every 10 mins or so. When…

I don’t think I’ve ever had onions like this then

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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post #136

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Absolutely! I think I am especially slow at cutting veg, which is a compromise between my motorically undeveloped and untrained self not cutting my fingers (happens every few weeks) and speed. Multiplying by 1.5 is a safe lower limit for me. I did learn a few things through it though (how to use vinager and not to be afraid of more than 5 ingredients), which is a great outcome. Apart from a bigger selection of recipe…

I would highly recommend learning how to use a chef’s knife properly. There are techniques for cutting, cleaning etc that reduce the cooking time significantly. I had the luck to be taught how to use one in school and by my dad but I always notice most people don’t know how to use it and don’t take the time to learn it (which would save them a lot of time)

Tried, but I probably don't cut enough to get sufficient practice.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

#743

I've had this conversation with people many times, a consequence is that some of them have no idea what caramelised onions actually are - they think it's the state you get to after 10 mins. Thinly slice 10 onions, dump them in a big pot with some oil on a medium heat for 10-15 minutes stirring frequently. Then turn the heat down to low and cook for a further 45-60 mins, check on it and stir every 10 mins or so. When…

Well, I followed this method and the onions took 3 hours to get to deep brown. This leads me to “Hofstader’s Law of Caramelized Onions:” Onions always take 3 times as long to caramelize as you think they’re going to take, even when you take Hostader’s Law into account.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

#744

I've had this conversation with people many times, a consequence is that some of them have no idea what caramelised onions actually are - they think it's the state you get to after 10 mins. Thinly slice 10 onions, dump them in a big pot with some oil on a medium heat for 10-15 minutes stirring frequently. Then turn the heat down to low and cook for a further 45-60 mins, check on it and stir every 10 mins or so. When…

Well, I followed this method and the onions took 3 hours to get to deep brown. This leads me to “Hofstader’s Law of Caramelized Onions:” Onions always take 3 times as long to caramelize as you think they’re going to take, even when you take Hostader’s Law into account.

Interesting! I was inspired to make some yesterday to check my own timings and it was roughly right. Maybe you have bigger onions than I do.

Related, it turns out that caramelised onion, mushroom & goats cheese is a pretty good pizza topping.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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That is exactly what "time" means for recipes and why ingredients list say things like "onions, finely chopped" and not just "onions". Restaurants do have containers with chopped vegetables sitting around for this reason. You might not like this convention, but it is pretty universal. So your complaint sounds like "3 minute angel hair pasta?!?! My water won't even have started boiling by then." Totally understandable…

> Restaurants do have containers with chopped vegetables sitting around for this reason That might be true, but the folks who are actually reading these recipes aren't restaurant cooks working in a professional kitchen.

Sure, but having wildly different conventions would be even more confusing.

In any case, I am very disappointed with HN for this thread. While I also think "actual time" would have been a more useful standard, words mean what they mean and the comment quality is ...

- "Hey, surely everyone is lying, instead of me misunderstanding a common convention."

- "That universal convention used since forever is dumb. Me complaining to you surely is going to retroactively change this in every publication ever."

- "How dare you tell me that I misunderstood something. I am sure you are personally responsible for that convention."

- "Of course a butterfly is made out of butter, it is right there in the name you moron!"

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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As if I needed more fuel on the fire of my burning hatred for recipe collections. Everyone who is interested in cooking should do themselves a favour and buy a proper cookbook. Something that starts with the basics, and works itself up to full meals. It should have cheat-sheets for basic ways to cook all your staples, here's all the ways you can cook a potato, with times and temperature. Here's all the ways you can s…

> A timer can never replace the knowledge of how something is supposed to look, feel, and smell when it's done or not. I tend to disagree on that one, unless you are particularly experienced, or naturally gifted, measuring tools (timers, scales, thermometers,...) will give you the best results. At least for me, that's the case. And if you can't follow a recipe to the letter, without knowledge of how things are suppos…

> So yeah, no matter how good at cooking you are, if you "just follow" a recipe properly and it doesn't work, then the recipe is wrong or incomplete.

No, this is 100% false, and this is exactly why recipe collections are popular, because people think they can just follow a recipe to get a delicious meal. There is an immense difference in quality and properties of ingredients, difference in cookware, difference in appliances, etc. What's "medium heat" ? What's a "medium-sized potato" ?

You need to know basic cooking to work around these differences, you need to know what something feels like and looks like when it's done, otherwise you will forever fail.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Whether or not GP is actually a PhD, that was a joke about lack of units. (20 what ago, a 2 on what scale, a PhD in what)

Strictly speaking a PhD isn't a PhD "in" something. It is simply a PhD (a doctorate in philosophy). Obviously philosophy isn't that informative a term, so people try to be helpful by adding what field or topic their actual research was about. Some vocational/applied higher degrees in specific fields do have specific initials to differentiate them from a "generic" PhD (for example, the EngD). Apologies for ++pedantry…

This is also why in non-English speaking countries, this title usually does not have any relation to philosophy. It is "Doctorate in something".
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