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Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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My sister in law writes recipes. She has a recipe column in a newspaper and wrote a few high quality recipe books. I saw them in a bookstore. So she's reasonable successful. Her pieces are charming, her recipes inspiring. The thing is. At a birthday party when I was talking to her, she confessed to me that she never actually tries her recipes. When it's time to do a new piece, she sits down at her computer and makes…

As if I needed more fuel on the fire of my burning hatred for recipe collections. Everyone who is interested in cooking should do themselves a favour and buy a proper cookbook. Something that starts with the basics, and works itself up to full meals. It should have cheat-sheets for basic ways to cook all your staples, here's all the ways you can cook a potato, with times and temperature. Here's all the ways you can s…

> A timer can never replace the knowledge of how something is supposed to look, feel, and smell when it's done or not.

I tend to disagree on that one, unless you are particularly experienced, or naturally gifted, measuring tools (timers, scales, thermometers,...) will give you the best results. At least for me, that's the case.

And if you can't follow a recipe to the letter, without knowledge of how things are supposed to feel, it is not a proper recipe. The entire point is to give you consistent results, if I had the intuition, I wouldn't need a recipe.

And even if you are an experienced cook, precise instructions and measurements will give you a better baseline from where you can improvise. Yes, I have an idea on how cook a potato, but unless the recipe tells me how to do it, how do I know how potatoes are supposed to be for that recipe in particular?

So yeah, no matter how good at cooking you are, if you "just follow" a recipe properly and it doesn't work, then the recipe is wrong or incomplete. It is like in programming, 99% of the time, where there is a problem, it comes from the software, not the computer running it. And successful developers don't ask users to fix their bugs, even on open source projects where users have the ability to do it, why should it be different for recipe writers?

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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I worked with company that creates cook books and utensils in Switzerland in 2010, and they have a workshop kitchen on their premises. For every new recipe, they invite regular people to cook it at least twice. If the results are bad or inconsistent, they tweak the recipe and repeat.

I guess we don't have a kitchen of much global appeal, but at least it's consistent.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Most recipe sites are also misleading when it comes to the amount of fat required and the quantity of spices (at least for Indian cooking). I used to wonder why the special “restaurant” recipe was as just meh. Then after I got a little more experience cooking regularly, I just realised instinctively that the quantity and duration of cooking wasn’t accurate at all!

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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> manual Saving people a click https://weber.mizecx.com/knowledge/s3/retrieve?path=knowledg... PDF page 65 onwards

Let me save you from scrolling through 64 pages: pdftk 54372.pdf cat 65-end output weber-grilling-meat.pdf

Let me save you a few characters in the future friend:

In both Firefox and Chrome (probably Safari too) there is a page number at the top of the page when you open the PDF. Here you can manually type in a number. Open up the PDF and enter "65" and it'll take you directly to the page you enter.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Instead of sticking to recipes, for many it's a better approach to learn what is going on behind the scenes.

"Cooking for Geeks", published by O'Reilly is a book that focuses on explaining cooking.

https://www.cookingforgeeks.com/

PS No affiliation.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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I have Jamie Olivers 15 minute meals (or something). I put a 4 over the 1, because for me it's 45 minutes minimum.

I thought it was me because i don't cook often and feel like i'm slow. I routinely need 45 minutes for 15 minute recipes. The food tastes good, however.

It does taste good (omg that Turkish pizza), and I picked up some techniques and changed some ingredients here and there, left out some things.

I feel that 15 min is only feasible with everything ready within (fast moving) arms reach and all cutting done by a food processor...

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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As if I needed more fuel on the fire of my burning hatred for recipe collections. Everyone who is interested in cooking should do themselves a favour and buy a proper cookbook. Something that starts with the basics, and works itself up to full meals. It should have cheat-sheets for basic ways to cook all your staples, here's all the ways you can cook a potato, with times and temperature. Here's all the ways you can s…

> A timer can never replace the knowledge of how something is supposed to look, feel, and smell when it's done or not. I tend to disagree on that one, unless you are particularly experienced, or naturally gifted, measuring tools (timers, scales, thermometers,...) will give you the best results. At least for me, that's the case. And if you can't follow a recipe to the letter, without knowledge of how things are suppos…

> I tend to disagree on that one, unless you are particularly experienced, or naturally gifted, measuring tools (timers, scales, thermometers,...) will give you the best results. At least for me, that's the case.

Both. Have both. Ingredients are not 100 uniform and always cook in same way. Have "how it should be done" and "how it should look during/at the end of the process". You can't have exact same temperature on the pan as recipe, I guess unless you're constantly using IR thermometer to check

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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My sister in law writes recipes. She has a recipe column in a newspaper and wrote a few high quality recipe books. I saw them in a bookstore. So she's reasonable successful. Her pieces are charming, her recipes inspiring. The thing is. At a birthday party when I was talking to her, she confessed to me that she never actually tries her recipes. When it's time to do a new piece, she sits down at her computer and makes…

I only get recipes from YouTube, were I can see a person actually doing it. They can still “fake it” or lie but it’s less likely.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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I'm not really surprised. There's a youtube channel called Chef Jean Pierre. He is a retired Chef that used to run a restaurant since the 1970s, has cookbooks, was featured on PBS, etc. (Some say he has a more colorful past with his cooking school/restaurant business in Florida, but I don't know much). Either way. He's got the consistently longest cooking videos on youtube. He explains that long videos don't do well.…

I'm an amateur who enjoys cooking and does it once a day in order to feed my family. One of my biggest learnings is that no matter what I do it takes quite a while to cook a meal. Huge complex meals can take hours to prepare, but even a simple meal usually takes me half an hour - because that's just the time it takes to grab the ingredients, boil water for pasta/rice/potatoes/..., cook and present it. The time it tak…

Exactly what I have experienced. Even whatever time is mentioned in the cookbooks, I was never able to beat it. It takes a minimum of 45 minutes to prepare a decent dish for me. I too am an amateur and I measure my time with my mother's time and I see a difference but not so much. I do not do multitasking if I have something on the stove which requires constant stirring or moving around.

Also I found that slow cooking brings out the best flavours and aroma.

Re: Why do recipe writers lie about how long it takes to caramelize onions? (2012)

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Recipe collections are pointless anyway. The best cookery book I have is Process Cookery, a textbook for commercial cooks studying at vocational colleges in England. It tells exactly how to do things and has example recipes with flowcharts showing which parts of the process are unique and which parts are common to other recipes.

Sounds interesting! Do you have a link? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

I've had decent success with "The Science of Good Cooking"[1].

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Science-Good-Cooking-Illustrated-Cook...

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