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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

hrmtst93837 wrote: post #709
jauntywundrkind wrote: post #4

Alas that in the US it is seemingly impossible to get unlocked bootloaders now. I'm trying to figure out what couple-year-old international phone to buy now. Good on Motorola. Incredibly smart to tap these passionate geniuses.

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I honestly am actually ok with stock! I just want magisk!

My use case is pretty silly actually: I just want to be able to read my own Chrome session data! To do some "quantified self" exploration of how I use my device.

But The War Against General Purpose Computing has marched on and on and on, and that has gotten harder and harder and harder! I can't explore my own device, can't see my own file-system, without root. Which generally requires unlocking the bootloader. The light & hackerly possibility, ongoingly being squeezed out of this world by tech titans and governments. Alas.

Edit: it seems like half the things I use don't work with Magisk anymore either, even with hiding. What a horror show Google hath wrought against it's users. https://www.reddit.com/r/Magisk/comments/1bsfxle/discussion_...

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by sieabahlpark »

neya wrote: post #216
BatteryMountain wrote: post #108

If anyone from Motorola reads this thread; the market is beyond ripe for a good shake up. Going full open source and pushing updates & openness, user control and freedom, you will gobble up a good chunk of market share. Make MDM easy & first class (no third parties...), and a ton of corp will roll it out too. We need you more than you think.

This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by poulpy123 »

cogman10 wrote: post #360
neya wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just developer fantasy. The average consumer doesn't care even one bit. Is the phone smooth? Does it have a good camera? Does it have a good battery? Does it last more than 2 years? Go to some developing countries around Asia and you'll be surprised how people prioritise features when buying a phone vs developed ones. The developing countries account for most of the sales of most phone manufacturers. Phones t…

The original Google Nexus program showed that there is a market for more open phones and platforms. I don't disagree with you that in order to sell, these devices need to be somewhat appealing to more than just devs. However, I will say that the dev market isn't as small as it once was. A decent phone with an open platform would be something a lot of devs would likely prioritize buying. It won't be the next Iphone, b…

I would love a Samsung Z fold 7 but they are far too expensive for me

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by bgnn »

strcat wrote: post #277
wolvoleo wrote: post #81

Hmm the one thing I'm kinda missing with grapheneos is mobile payments. The banks here in Europe used to have their own nfc apps but in my country they've all moved to Google wallet :( or Samsung pay. I don't want Google monitoring my payments so I'm using Samsung now but I'd love to have something more open for this. I was kinda hoping the partner would be Samsung so they might collaborate on a payment system too. I…

If you're in Europe you can use Curve Pay, PayPal and multiple banks which haven't moved to Google Pay. Alternatively, pay in cash if you want privacy.

You cannot pay with cash in a lot of places in my European country. The number of no cash places is increasing by day.

You can use your debit card though.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by wiredpancake »

Arainach wrote: post #654
evolve2k wrote: post #511

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Counter-point; we are in times of mass upheaval and protest. Purchasing a secure phone is desirable to almost anyone who is increasingly worried about state and corporate actors, especially those that would seek to surveil and coerce. I suspect some will buy these phones as a daily driver, some as a second phone. Institutional trust is at an all time low, this is a smart move selling into the growing demand for secur…

Consumers, when faced with a $100 Microwave that will last 2 years and a $130 microwave that will last ten, will buy the cheaper one nearly always. They don't care. Consumers, when faced with a phone that offers "privacy" but that doesn't work with their banking app or their favorite game, will return it and get the non-privacy phone essentially every time.

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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by chpatrick »

cromka wrote: post #661
chpatrick wrote: post #655

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None of that sells phones.

Eh, wildcard statements like this. Checked your history and you sure like one-liner hit-and-runs like this one. No substance, just vague opinions. But to actually answer you properly: Heard of OnePlus? They were niche manufacturers curating to geeks like ourselves at the very beginning and THEY USED CyanogenMod ROM! When it was way, WAY more amateurish than GrapheneOS! When a market is super saturated, the only way t…

Nice ad hominems, good job.

It's the same deal with small phones. Everyone thinks they're a great idea, then when they actually release them no one buys them. You can't plan your products based on what a small group of users want.

I use Graphene myself and I think it's great but this idea that it's something the average user is clamoring for is just fiction.

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Post by [deleted] »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #459
friedtofu wrote: post #63

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Really? That seems odd, where are you looking? Through your Carrier or just for unlocked devices? Depending on who you're with, usually you can just grab an unlocked device and your Carrier to register the device. I've only ever used Google Fi and AT&T though I'm not sure about the others. Searching duckduckgo for 'Unlocked {device}' returns a lot of results on the shopping tab for phones on Amazon and eBay like the…

They are different kinds of unlocked! Unlocked generally just means "can be used with any carrier". For example this Samsung S22 I am on is "unlocked". But Samsung hasn't allowed unlocking the bootloader on their phones for many years. And they are far far from the only ones in that state. You basically have to research each specific phone far ahead of time. And beware! Because there's, for example, lots of guides te…

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Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by friedtofu »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #459
friedtofu wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? That seems odd, where are you looking? Through your Carrier or just for unlocked devices? Depending on who you're with, usually you can just grab an unlocked device and your Carrier to register the device. I've only ever used Google Fi and AT&T though I'm not sure about the others. Searching duckduckgo for 'Unlocked {device}' returns a lot of results on the shopping tab for phones on Amazon and eBay like the…

They are different kinds of unlocked! Unlocked generally just means "can be used with any carrier". For example this Samsung S22 I am on is "unlocked". But Samsung hasn't allowed unlocking the bootloader on their phones for many years. And they are far far from the only ones in that state. You basically have to research each specific phone far ahead of time. And beware! Because there's, for example, lots of guides te…

Eesh, that does sound rough. The last Samsung phone I owned was the Galaxy S5, I see on the Wikipedia page Samsung devices have been locked down since early 2021 :(

Not like I would try to give you advice on unlocking your phone in the first place as I'm mostly clueless myself.

Maybe time to trade up or sideways? Graphene OS only officially supports Google Pixel devices anyway(for now). If Motorola could somehow recapture the magic of the Razer today with a new phone, that would be cool too!

https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by krs_ »

LtWorf wrote: post #375
fsflover wrote: post #281

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When my bank didn't support my phone, I switched the bank, not the phone.

That is sensible. In sweden there's 1 single app to authenticate yourself. Strictly speaking the bank does work without, but A LOT of other stuff doesn't, making life very hard.

BankID was working just fine when I was experimenting with LineageOS without Google apps (incidentally, on a Motorola phone) last year. It is something I worry about though, seeing as they could easily stop that from working and there's no real alternative.

Re: Motorola announces a partnership with GrapheneOS

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Post by xmx98 »

agile-gift0262 wrote: post #71
silisili wrote: post #27

This was figured out a while ago based on the hints given. That said, I'm pretty excited. Motorola of the last decade or so has made really good hardware with basically stock firmware and a terrible update policy, which is why many avoid them. Seriously, they just offer quarterly updates on flagships, which is incredibly unsecure. Punting software to Graphene solves the biggest gripe many have.

That is also ths reason why I migrated my parents from Motorola to Pixel. Well… that and the amount of bloatware and ad notifications a new Motorola I bought had. I returned it inmediatelly, and it's then when I went for Pixels.

These phones change your lock screen into their „content” screen after updates, so you need to periodically go to settings to undo it. Phone owners shouldn’t have to root to permanently get rid of this stuff and other „suggestions”.
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