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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by fragmede »

throwitaway222 wrote: post #693
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #676

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they didn't. From the details page: "We've assumed a fuel economy of 20.0 miles per gallon for a comparable gasoline powered truck. We've also assumed the national average of $0.16 per kilowatt-hour for residential electricity (assumed for 100% of charging) and $3.30 per gallon for gasoline over the next three years."

And in CA, it's $0.30 per KWH, so extremely misleading if you are there - which most of the purchases will be at. Also in CA that price is going up 5% per year.

$4.66 for a gallon of gas but it's up to $0.50/kWh peak rate in San Francisco.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by mattnibs »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #713

One of the issues it'll face in Europe is weight. One source I found for the "cyberbeast" model claims a 6843-pound curb weight. That's 3.1 metric tons. While there are discussions for special allowances for electric cars, the current limit of what you're allowed to drive with a normal driving license in the EU is 3.5 tons of gross vehicle weight rating. In other words, in order to allow most people to drive the Cybe…

Are pickup trucks common in Europe?

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Post by partiallypro »

starcraft2wol wrote: post #664
rainsford wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also a 911 looks like a cool sports car, while the cybertruck looks like it's being rendered by a Super Nintendo. A lot of the attraction of sports cars is the cool aesthetic, which your average family SUV or pickup truck really doesn't have, and the cybertruck has a negative amount of.

I don't think this comment will age well.

The 911 has the highest average resale value, relative to the original price, of any car on Earth. It depreciates less than any other vehicle. I don't think you're going to be correct.

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Post by warbeforepeace »

TexanFeller wrote: post #286
danans wrote: post #78

The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

> same 250 mile range but AWD standard AWD is much less important on a truck than most people think. I spent my youth driving my family’s farm trucks around in the mud and driving large cattle trailers to auctions. No one in my family could afford a 4WD, but there was maybe one or two times ever that I felt like I needed it. Mostly it’s just huge cost and a large amount of weight and fuel economy lost for rural peopl…

You are crazy. Most pickups absolutely need AWD. A little bit of rain and a RWD pick up is sliding all over the place unless you put a ton of shit in the bed.

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Post by arcticbull »

liminalsunset wrote: post #96

Seems like there's been relatively less attention on the 48V/800V architecture and the Ethernet comms/steer by wire setup, but I think those are what make this particular vehicle quite interesting. Up until recently I think 48V power electronics have been fairly rare outside of telecom/other high cost situations, but I suppose one major difference is that at 48V, transformer-based DC-DC conversion is usually a better…

> ... but I suppose one major difference is that at 48V, transformer-based DC-DC conversion is usually a better choice for digital electronics compared with a simple buck, which historically seems to be a significant jump in cost and faff to design.

There's no such thing as 'simple' transformer-based DC-DC conversion. If you want to use just a transformer, you're looking at AC. If you then want to convert it to DC after, you're going to need a rectifier plus a buck converter. The CyberTruck is 48VDC meaning if you want to do any kind of voltage conversion you're going to use a switching architecture of some sort.

> ... Perhaps PCB planar transformers will help here, but this may be one reason we don't see 50V EPR USB C devices yet (disappointed that the Cybertruck didn't decide to be the first 240W USB-C device, still stuck at 65W)

EPR is 48V.

Switching regulators are a pretty well known quantity now - and super efficient. I don't think there's much faff.

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Post by kortilla »

dkjaudyeqooe wrote: post #722
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #713

One of the issues it'll face in Europe is weight. One source I found for the "cyberbeast" model claims a 6843-pound curb weight. That's 3.1 metric tons. While there are discussions for special allowances for electric cars, the current limit of what you're allowed to drive with a normal driving license in the EU is 3.5 tons of gross vehicle weight rating. In other words, in order to allow most people to drive the Cybe…

Sounds like owners will end up paying higher taxes due to road damage and tire pollution. Don't want to even think about what happens when you're hit by one of these things.

> Don't want to even think about what happens when you're hit by one of these things.

As a pedestrian? The same as getting hit by any SUV

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Post by liminalsunset »

demondemidi wrote: post #523
liminalsunset wrote: post #96

Seems like there's been relatively less attention on the 48V/800V architecture and the Ethernet comms/steer by wire setup, but I think those are what make this particular vehicle quite interesting. Up until recently I think 48V power electronics have been fairly rare outside of telecom/other high cost situations, but I suppose one major difference is that at 48V, transformer-based DC-DC conversion is usually a better…

Why did you call out the CAN bus for water penetration? I thought it was an electrical specification and logical protocol, does it specify wires too?

In this particular case, it's because the CAN bus shares two wires across all devices, with everything connected in parallel. Water ingress or catastrophic failure to any of the wires, connectors, or terminations/devices can result in an open or short circuit, or at least enough load to cause the signal drivers to be incapable of driving the right levels.

Although this particular example is from what some would consider a controversial video, this is an example of how water ingress can result in the disablement of vehicle electronics: https://youtu.be/Gio3DSTkQH4?feature=shared&t=181

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Post by kortilla »

caconym_ wrote: post #583
dgacmu wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I drove a rented SUV a few weeks ago (GMC Acadia Denali) that had quite shocking acceleration -- 310 horsepower or so -- and the handling of a dead fish. It was kind of scary, and overall a really unpleasant experience. I don't understand why the manufacturer would choose that combination other than being able to market the HP. And this was gas, not EV.

Reminds me of this article I saw recently: https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a45688551/2023-tesla-mo... > The result is terrifying. Both terrifying to drive, and terrifying to realize that these things are out on the road, in the hands of a public I don't trust enough to handle this sort of power. Up on Angeles Crest, the Plaid is incredibly quick, but it doesn't have the chassis, steering, or brakes to deal with…

> pigheaded vanity of adult children. It is fucking disgusting.

Presumably you suggest we also banish unhealthy food, cigarettes, weed, and alcohol, right? They are all responsible for significant deaths (especially when combined with any kind of driving) and are only for fun

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Post by brucethemoose2 »

rgmerk wrote: post #167
everfrustrated wrote: post #72

Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_ That's incredible marketing. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029

There is something quite shocking (pardon the pun) to older car enthusiasts about just how fast off the line dual-motor EVs are. The super coupes of one’s youth are utterly obliterated on the dragstrip, not by EV coupes, but by family SUVs and pickup trucks. That said, just because they can go fast in a straight line doesn’t make them in any way equivalent to a 911. Give me a mountain pass or a racetrack, (and no kid…

The (soon to be) street legal McMurtry Spéirling would like a word.

I guarantee no Porsche 911 on the planet keep up with an F1 car like that can.

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