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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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That's called the 5-to-60 time. Car enthusiasts benchmark both 0-to-60 and 5-to-60 because that rollout can change the behavior of various cars. What we have here is Tesla taking the 5-to-60 time and pretending its a 0-to-60 time. Rollout is fine and all, just ya know, be honest about it. Call it a 5-to-60 time.

> Rollout is fine and all, just ya know, be honest about it. Call it a 5-to-60 time Are they not honest? It says so right in the spec quote. Why is "5-to-60" honest but "with rollout subtracted" dishonest? One is jargon and the other English, but I think you have to stretch really hard to read in an attempt to deceive here.

Because everyone who knows something about cars knows that 5-to-60 times are easier to do than 0-to-60 times.

Taking the "easier" test and trying to call it the harder 0-to-60 test is just misleading fundamentally. Especially to car culture who has had these standard terms for the last 50 years (or longer).

0 means "Dead stop". Its difficult, it depends on extremely good tires to grip and other parts of the car that are hard to get right. It also rarely comes up in a race, so the 5-to-60 time is actually more useful in a lot of racing scenarios. So yeah, 5-to-60 is a good test. But just don't call it the 0-to-60 time (or torture the language / invent new words as if we're dumbasses and can't see the marketing bullshit going on).

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_ That's incredible marketing. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029

There is something quite shocking (pardon the pun) to older car enthusiasts about just how fast off the line dual-motor EVs are. The super coupes of one’s youth are utterly obliterated on the dragstrip, not by EV coupes, but by family SUVs and pickup trucks. That said, just because they can go fast in a straight line doesn’t make them in any way equivalent to a 911. Give me a mountain pass or a racetrack, (and no kid…

Also a 911 looks like a cool sports car, while the cybertruck looks like it's being rendered by a Super Nintendo. A lot of the attraction of sports cars is the cool aesthetic, which your average family SUV or pickup truck really doesn't have, and the cybertruck has a negative amount of.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Interesting that the marketing image on that page is clearly meant to suggest driving around on Mars. I think it is clear from the design and marketing that this truck is meant as a fashion statement not a work vehicle. It will be interesting to see if it catches on. I like some of the ideas used in the vehicle's construction, though I do not like how dangerous it appears to be for pedestrians. If I made a prediction…

The folks who buy EVs as a fashion statement and those who buy flashy trucks as a fashion statement seem to have very little overlap. I suppose the plan is to bridge that gap and expand their market. I'm skeptical that it will be a success, but Elon is world class as getting money from people so I won't be surprised if it works out for Tesla.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Funny that the cheaper model's 0-60 time is listed as "4.1 SEC. 0-60 MPH", but the more expensive model is listed as "2.6 SEC. 0-60 MPH With rollout subtracted." The whole rollout for 0-60 thing is a big fuss in the car magazine subculture - instead of counting zero to 60 from a standstill, they now count zero to 60 in a drag race style, where you have to trip the starting light by going forward a foot or two. What t…

Couldn't software gradually increase power to match the grip of the tires and prevent spinning? Or would that slow it down because a spinout 0-60 (not counting rollout) is faster that a "perfect throttle" 0-60?

That works, it's called launch control. It's just not as important as it is with ICE engines if you can supply enough power to the motors. Subtracting rollout will always give a lower number though, and it's easier.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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> a sports care faster than a 911 Eh, it's not really interesting if you can't corner. Lots of trucks aren't actually bad at it, all you need is a ton of torque, tires that can take it, and enough weight and length to keep the front end down. Easy enough any automaker can do it if they choose, but 1/4 mile numbers are a mostly meaningless pissing contest unless you are actually building drag cars. Now if Tesla built…

> * Easy enough any automaker can do it if they choose* Ahh, no. The Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat with 707 horsepower runs a 11.4 [1] That is the very definition of a car built to go fast in a straight line. Massive engine, supercharger, massive rear tires, and it's slower than the Cybertruck. > Lots of trucks aren't actually bad at it Please show me a truck that gets even remotely close to a sub 11 quarter mile. Heck,…

Hellcats are built to go fast in a straight line with the limitations of a 20+ year old platform. Beating a vehicle Dodge spent about $20 developing in a shed with a giant pushrod engine and hand-me-down parts they got from 90s Mercedes Benz isn't that big an accomplishment.

Going fast in a straight line is easy for electric motors, so it's just not that impressive. It's like a native speaker enrolling in language 101. The A doesn't really mean anything. EVs have been up against the limits of tire adhesion for years now.

EVs with impressive sustained track times are far more interesting since that's actually hard to achieve. Batteries are heavy and that's killer for a real race car.

That 911 will pound hot lap after hot lap until the fuel tank is empty like it's nothing if the owner ticked the ceramic brake option. I suspect the Cybertruck will run out of cooling long before it drains the battery and I guarantee it will cook the brakes hauling itself down from 130 mph.

Edit: plus F-150 Raptor R does a 12.1 quarter mile. That's pretty close to running 11s.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Funny that the cheaper model's 0-60 time is listed as "4.1 SEC. 0-60 MPH", but the more expensive model is listed as "2.6 SEC. 0-60 MPH With rollout subtracted." The whole rollout for 0-60 thing is a big fuss in the car magazine subculture - instead of counting zero to 60 from a standstill, they now count zero to 60 in a drag race style, where you have to trip the starting light by going forward a foot or two. What t…

There's a video of Cybertruck struggling to go up a dirt hill, with tires losing traction: https://www.threads.net/@ben_woodward/post/Czeo1X-BLAd

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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post #294

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> trucks are huge now due to various fuel efficiency regulations Correct. It's because of "...the fine print of Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards adopted in 1975, Gerald Ford’s reluctant response to a crippling Middle East oil embargo that sent gas prices soaring. To protect American commerce, work trucks and light trucks were subject to less-strict CAFE standards than family sedans. Trucks are also exe…

It's bizarre that this has been allowed, and that lawmakers didn't immediately fix this hole in the regulations as soon as they noticed car manufacturers taking advantage of it.

It's bizarre that in the middle of a oil market crisis it wasn't expected that the consumer market wouldn't have moved to higher MPG vehicles on it's own anyways. To me, this is one of the hallmarks of a highly monopolized market where consumers don't have any actual choices, and where competition for consumer approval is almost entirely absent.

The correct answer would have been to increase the number of companies manufacturing vehicles, not passing laws that constrained a market and possibly lead to an overall decrease. Now we have a market that's almost entirely bound to congressional whim and mostly disconnected from consumer demand.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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The cheapest F150 Lightning (available today not in 2025) is $50k (vs $60k for Cybertruck), same 250 mile range but AWD standard , and is a regular pickup truck compatible with standard accessories and parts for doing actual pickup truck work. Of course, most of the buyers of either the Cybertruck or the F150 Lightning probably aren't getting much dirt under their fingernails. Everyone I know doing construction/trade…

We need a lot more Chevy Bolts

I dont understand, there are millions of 5 door hatchback evs being sold at the moment, from all different manufacturers, its the most popular form factor for evs by far.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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How come the "Cyberbeast" model has the same 11k lbs Towing Capacity as the "All Wheel Drive" version ($30k cheaper)? The Cyberbeast has significantly more Torque at 10,296 lb-ft vs. "All Wheel Drive" at 7,435

Towing is complicated. Here is an F-350 at full throttle in second gear barely making it through mountains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoHDQ4SKpBI

That's an idiot kid who thinks that flooring it while towing several tons up a 12% grade is even safe, let alone wise.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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post #282

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Definitely misleading. It should be advertised as “1 to 60”.

-60 to 60 would be more interesting to watch, and pleasingly symmetrical.

They used to do something (vaguely) similar, like 0-100-0 which also included brakes in the equation.

I also remember a motor trend article where they figured out the "horsepower" of the brakes and a 911 would decelerate like 1000 hp

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