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Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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It’s not the job of the media to root for anyone. The media should dispassionately report the truth. In this case they did not do so.

In most cases they do not. We haven’t had unfiltered media for a very long time now. Your voice is blocked from a large audience by many many barriers if you mention any forbidden keywords together.

> We haven’t had unfiltered media for a very long time now.

When did we have it?

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Microsoft doesn't "use" the APIs, they host them on their own servers and have a license to do so and re-license to Azure users. If something goes wrong with OpenAI (given that it sounds like many key employees are leaving), Azure will stay up and you can keep using the APIs from MS.

That may provide short term stability, but medium term (which in this field is a few months) how will Azure's offering move forward if OpenAI is in such crisis? I guess it really comes down to OpenAI's ability to continue without Altman and Co. I don't believe that Microsoft's license allows them to independently develop the models? Wouldn't this become a stale fork pretty quickly while the rest of the industry moves…

I agree that medium term is up in the air and highly dependent on what happens next. If many OAI employees defect to Sam's new company, maybe that becomes the thing everyone migrates to...

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Through all of this, no one has cogently explained why Altman leaving is such a big deal. Why would workers immediately quit their job when he has no other company, and does he even know who these workers are? Are these people that desperate to make a buck (or the prospect of big bucks)? It seems like half of the people working at the non-profit were not actually concerned about the mission but rather just waiting ou…

This is worse than firing Jobs, at least when they fired him it was for poor performance not “doing too good a job”.

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> It is Sam Altman. He will have one in a week. Welcome to Cargo Cult AI.

What's wrong with that statement though? It's the AI era - VCs are going crazy funding AI startups. What makes you think Greg and Sam would have a hard time raising millions/billions and starting a new company in a week if they want to?

How will they come up with the idea? One is an investor and the other is an infrastructure software engineer.

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stability.

But Altman, the ousted CEO, appears to have been adding to the instability. His firing seems like a step in getting back to a desired stability.

Can you, you know, bring facts and data to this discussion, as opposed to vague handwaving of weird accusations? Altman has been doing an amazing job at running the business he co-founded, and “instability” isn’t something _anyone_ at any side of the discussion is accusing him of.

What is this instability, in your view? And how is this “desired stability” going to come back?

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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Through all of this, no one has cogently explained why Altman leaving is such a big deal. Why would workers immediately quit their job when he has no other company, and does he even know who these workers are? Are these people that desperate to make a buck (or the prospect of big bucks)? It seems like half of the people working at the non-profit were not actually concerned about the mission but rather just waiting ou…

He is the CEO! He sets the entire agenda for the company. Of course he is important - how could he not be?

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How does it actually kill a person? When does it stop existing in boxes that require a continuous source of electricity and can’t survive water or fire?

One route is if AI (not through malice but simply through incompetence) plays a part in a terrorist plan to trick the US and China or US and Russia into fighting an unwanted nuclear war. A working group I’m a part of, DISARM:SIMC4, has a lot of papers about this here: https://simc4.org

so the plot of WarGames?

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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TheInformation: Dozens of Staffers Quit OpenAI After Sutskever Says Altman Won’t Return >Dozens of OpenAI staffers internally announced they were quitting the company Sunday night, said a person with knowledge of the situation, after board director and chief scientist Ilya Sutskever told employees that fired CEO Sam Altman would not return. https://www.theinformation.com/articles/dozens-of-staffers-q...

Tip for builders: you can use the GPT APIs on Microsoft Azure. Managed reliably, nobody's quitting, no drama. Same APIs, just with better controls, global availability, and a very stable, reliable, and trustworthy provider. (disclosure: I work at Azure, but this is just my own observation).

The Azure-hosted versions are consistently behind the OpenAI versions.

For example, the GPT4 128K-token model is unavailable, and the GPT-4V model is also unavailable.

Re: Emmett Shear becomes interim OpenAI CEO as Altman talks break down

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I'm actually getting tired of this whole story, jeez. they had an interim CEO: why exactly do they need a new interim CEO? it's been a couple of weekend days, zero business days. Not taking sides, none of this makes any sense, so much drama. hypothesis: there's too much money on the table, and inasmuch as some people care more about the public welfare than money, too much of that too (meaning, a lot of money in somet…

The other interim ceo turned on the board and supported Sam I think.

This just makes the board seem very incompetent TBH, why select a CEO that is not aligned with the board?

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Through all of this, no one has cogently explained why Altman leaving is such a big deal. Why would workers immediately quit their job when he has no other company, and does he even know who these workers are? Are these people that desperate to make a buck (or the prospect of big bucks)? It seems like half of the people working at the non-profit were not actually concerned about the mission but rather just waiting ou…

The board fired Altman for shipping too fast compared to their safety-ist doom preferences. The new interim CEO has said that he wants to slow AI development down 80-90%. Why on earth would you stay, if you joined to build + ship technology? Of course, some employees may agree with the doom/safety board ideology, and will no doubt stay. But I highly doubt everyone will, especially the researchers who were working on…

This is exactly why you would want people on the board who understand the technology. Unless they have some other technology that we don't know about, that maybe brought all this on, a GPT is not a clear path to AGI. That is a technical thing that to understand seems to be beyond most people without real experience in the field. It is certainly beyond the understanding of some dude that lucked into a great training set and became an expert, much the same way the The Knack became industry leaders.
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