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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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I use a Firefox addon that spoofs the user agent for Google-owned sites so it delivers the Chrome version of things. Works without any issues and it's a much nicer product experience.

What are the Chrome version of things specifically? I just wonder what I'm missing out on..

Mobile Firefox gets a very basic result page for "weather" for no clear reason.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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What is the name of this addon?

This is the one I use, i think: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-search... Afair there's also one for YouTube.

"This add-on is not available on your platform." on Desktop Linux.. what makes this windows only?

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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You can favourite HN comments if you just want to come back to them.

To clarify, since it's not obvious in the UI, you have to click the timestamp of the comment, and then you can favorite it.

Or install this extension https://github.com/plibither8/refined-hacker-news to have better UI on HN

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Just to add more examples of markets they are trying to take over by not being better, but by buying up the competition: - Video games: Activision/Blizzard, ZeniMax, Double Fine Productions, Obsidian Entertainment, inXile Entertainment, Playground Games, Compulsion Games, Undead Labs, Ninja Theory, Mojang - Developer ecosystems: npm, Dependabot, GitHub, Playfab, Deis, Xamarin, Havok, HockeyApp

This is standard business affairs for pretty much every big company. Apple, Google, Amazon, and many other fortune 500 companies, have all bought up dozens of businesses and their products and rebranded them as their own. Not sure why we're solely picking on Microsoft here...

Because Microsoft is the subject of this thread. We could pick on other corporation, MS isn't the only one, but whataboutism isn't an argument.

And MS practices are not standard business, they certainly understand the rules well, but have have been making illegal moves, it is a fallacy to word it as if illegal moves were part of the capitalism game: Monopolies are to be prevented, that's why anti trust laws were put in place, which MS was already caught breakig.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Actually I don't get how Apple always gets away with the sh*t they are doing. All Smartphones on this planet use the same USB-C charging port except iPhones. And as far as I remember, the European Union requires the manufacturers by law to use USB-C, because before the law every phone came with a different power adapter. Next example, OS and browsers: Every Operating System has to offer the user the choice of which b…

Uhm, I had pixel phone is the first Pixel. Once it started using wireless charging, I only use usb-c in three scenarios: I'm traveling and using a powerbank, I'm in a car and want to use Android Auto (for some reason my car has wireless Car Play, but not AA), or I'm on a couch and my phone is low on battery (never happened when I iPhone tho). For this reason, I travel with cables that have adapters for lightning. Ann…

Actually, I prefer wireless charging as well (started with my Samsung S3 around 2014), in part because I can use the same charger for Apple as well as for Samsung, but also because they have no wearout and I don't like cables. However, the point is, that all manufacturers had their own adapters in the past (pre-2007) and all but Apple switched to Micro USB and later to USB-C (because the law demands it). So if Apple would also have switched to USB-C we wouldn't have the discussion.

> I'm not concerned with what engine browser uses

Just to give one example from the top of my head: For years (5+), Apple did not implement a proper Push-API for Safari. All other major browsers had it, but because on iOS all browsers are just Safari, there was no way to have it on iOS, which is a pretty big market share. Push-API sound like some marketing stuff, but in reality it is pretty fundamental to a lot of use-cases like multi-user synchronization, chats, etc. So you might think that you don't care about the rendering engine, but in reality Apple can abuse the browser situation to control the whole JS ecosystem.

So I don't hate Apple for no reason. Instead, I hate them for very specific reasons. They also do good stuff (primarily for their users/customers), but for me the bad far outweighs the good, because it affects everybody who has contact with their customers and not just the people who decided they want to have an Apple device.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Apple doesn't make it easy, but they don't make it impossible either, and at this point it's on the ecosystem to show Apple they want more of this by embracing what they have. So, sure, map links tend to open Apple Maps by default, but they can offer the user the choice to use other mapping apps, which they can check for by seeing if the OS will respond to their open url scheme. Harder? Sure. Impossible? Nope. And fo…

> because I'd rather have Watch notifications while I drive Off topic, but you're not actually looking at your watch while you drive right?

No I am not. The Watch taps my wrist as I drive with different patterns for left or right. If I can't tell which it's indicating, I can quickly look at my infotainment screen and see the map. But I am not driving while looking at my Watch, no. That would be very dangerous.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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You sound like a person who never even tried. Open Settings > Safari > Default Browser App, and select the app you want. It's really that easy.

Oh yeah, I forgot that the default browser app, should be under the settings for a different browser. Putting that shit under the Safari settings is deceptive and hides it while keeping it in plain site.

You can also do it from the settings of whatever browser you want. It exists under Settings > Chrome, and Settings > Firefox, but only if you have those browser installed. The option is always under Settings > Safari, though.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Can you use all extensions available for vs code in vs codium? I thought the best ones, provided by ms, were vs code only.

Some extensions by Microsoft are proprietary (such as their C# debugger and C++ extension) and can only be used with VSCode. For other extensions, you may be able to use them. See the docs at https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/DOCS.md#ext...

I didn't know about https://open-vsx.org/. Very nice! But besides those languages, they are also missing things like the remote ssh extension, which is a big deal breaker for me (and I assume many others regardless of language).

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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99% of users don’t care that it’s the same engine. They probably don’t even know. Looks the same, works the same, what does it matter? They just want to pick the browser name they trust, log in to its account and have all their favorites/bookmarks there. Whichever engine the browser happens to use is the least of their concerns.

> what does it matter? it matters in the same way a Honda disguised as a Mercedes it's not a Mercedes. It's a Honda. > Whichever engine the browser happens to use is the least of their concerns. Not disagreeing with you on this, that's the way it should be. OTOH, using simple logic, if it doesn't matter Apple would allow other browser engines on their platform, because it doesn't matter . But apparently it does matte…

I don’t think that’s a good analogy. Mercedes and Hondas have tangible differences in performance and amenities. On the other hand, Chrome, Firefox, Safari etc. are built to operate to the same standard and work identically on approximately 100% of websites anyone ever uses.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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> what does it matter? it matters in the same way a Honda disguised as a Mercedes it's not a Mercedes. It's a Honda. > Whichever engine the browser happens to use is the least of their concerns. Not disagreeing with you on this, that's the way it should be. OTOH, using simple logic, if it doesn't matter Apple would allow other browser engines on their platform, because it doesn't matter . But apparently it does matte…

I don’t think that’s a good analogy. Mercedes and Hondas have tangible differences in performance and amenities. On the other hand, Chrome, Firefox, Safari etc. are built to operate to the same standard and work identically on approximately 100% of websites anyone ever uses.

So why is Apple scared of other browser engines that "work identically on approximately 100% of websites anyone ever uses"?

The point of my analogy wasn't to prove that Chrome is better than Safari, but that if I want an Honda, I do not want a car that looks like an Honda, I want an Honda (or a Mercedes or a Renault).

Android has the same problem with WebView, it's Chrome by default, but at least on Android GeckoView exists.

There must be a reason why Apple resists so much to making alternative engines available and nobody is buying that it is about security.

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