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Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by rchaud »

pid_0 wrote: post #724
rchaud wrote: post #647

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> I’m not a liberal or anything, just a rational person. As a rational person, it must have occurred to you that if what you say is true, abortion and gay rights would have stopped being election issues many moons ago. The reason they haven't is because it works, it gets people to the polls. That's politics. People don't vote for 'rational', 'objective' technocrats who are 'policy wonks'. They will vote for whoever t…

>Human rights are not political. I thought that statement would make it clear I am in support for all the stuff you mentioned, guess not

My point is that there are no agreed upon limits on what 'politics' cannot include. Human rights are frequently brought into play as a result.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

timsayshey wrote: post #527

I've been following Hacker News for over a decade and my sense of the community is that it has always been overwhelmingly pro free speech at any cost (even in the cases where it would protect something outright illegal). Now I'm hearing from many in the same community that free speech has been "weaponized" and must be controlled for the greater good. What happened? Seriously.

HN is what it is because it is not free speech absolutist. Posts get flagged. People get banned. This keeps spam and shills down to a level that signal can stand out from the noise.

So in theory, people here may be "free speech absolutists", but in practice, we enjoy the environment that the moderation here enables. At some level, we know via experience that free speech absolutism is not where we want to live.

And yet, the "censorship" has a pretty light touch. It doesn't censor for viewpoint (in the ideal), but for false or misleading comments, or for personal attacks. (Yes, I know, HN doesn't always live up to that ideal.)

It could be that HN's theory is coming around into alignment with it's practice. We're seeing in the wider world that free speech absolutism can cause problems, and that heavy-handed censorship also causes problems. Speaking broadly, what HN is realizing is that we want a wider world that is more HN-like.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by mensetmanusman »

dragonwriter wrote: post #717
mensetmanusman wrote: post #712

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Depends on the definitions. How would you describe a militia that distrust the authority of the government? Is that antiauthoritarian?

No, it's just a preference for a different authority than the status quo government. Bolsheviks in Czarist Russia weren't anti-authoritarians, they were just preferred a different authority than was established.

Isn’t this the case of any system then? If you prefer your own authority, does that make you an authoritarian?

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by goatinaboat »

dragonwriter wrote: post #706
goatinaboat wrote: post #423

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White vs Black was something that was ripping the United States apart since the arrival of the first slave on the continent That isn't true, since the first black slaves were brought over by the ethnic group we now call Latinx.

> the first black slaves were brought over by the ethnic group we now call Latinx. No, they weren't. Latinx (or the equivalent combination of Latino/Latina) is not synonymous with Hispanic, and more to the point, even if it was , the slavers were (by modern American terms) racially White ethnic Hispanics, so it wouldn't change the White/Black racial dynamic.

racially White ethnic Hispanics

That’s some pretty impressive mental gymnastics. It’s likely that the crews of those first Portuguese and Spanish slave ships included plenty of mixed Hispanic/North Africans too.

By the way North Africans raided as far as the south coast of England in order to capture slaves of their own.

it wouldn't change the White/Black racial dynamic

The word you are looking for is “narrative”.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by pid_0 »

bitdizzy wrote: post #633
milkrocks wrote: post #612

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Transgender issues are political when the government forces you to use made up terms like Xe/Xim or they/their instead of him/her to appease the mentally ill at the risk of being fined or jailed.

All words are made up and no one is going to fine you or jail you for being a jerk.

You aren't a jerk if you refuse to call someone a made up pronoun. If a she wants to be called a he, fine. If you want to be a benegender xyzbbq xe/xir, no.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by jki275 »

Schiendelman wrote: post #730
jki275 wrote: post #672

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Again, you're simply quoting liars who make up controversy for a living. The simple geometric shape of a stage isn't a nazi rune. Full stop. You're making shit up.

I'm not sure what you think is a lie here. A part of the party marches with a flag with that symbol. You can find it in guides to neo-Nazi symbols. Then their stage is shaped like it. It's very important to put the burden of proof on the political party that has actual Nazis in it, not on people pointing to what's a very strong coincidence.

No, some jackasses who are not "a part of the party" might use some image on some flag that I've never even seen with a rune nobody of any importance had ever heard of since WWII until yesterday.

That's the fact of thing.

If you want to talk about imagery, let's talk about the Bolshevik imagery incorporated purposely into the groups who ran the recent "summer of love" who were pandered to and supported by people like the current sitting Vice President of the United States and the Speaker of the House.

Donald Trump never supported any nazis or supremacists. The Republican Party has never supported nazis or supremacists. In fact it was the Republican Party that killed the KKK and the Republican Party that won the civil war and ended slavery. The Republican Party didn't have a KKK Grand Wizard in the Senate until ten years ago, and didn't run two of his protegés for president.

So...

Go on making up stories about runes nobody has ever heard of. It sounds like desperation to shift blame for your own beliefs onto other people.

the only people who could see a nazi rune in that stage are people who made up their minds that the people who created it must be nazis in spite of all evidence to the contrary. The rest of us over here in sane world don't evaluate obscure nazi symbols nobody has ever heard of for how we can include them in stage layouts.

And that's the last I'm going to engage with you on this absurdity.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by andrewflnr »

folknor wrote: post #689
faitswulff wrote: post #582

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Well...there was the small matter of a violent insurrection at the Capitol Building by people who variously: flew the Confederate flag, believed Democrats eat babies, refuse to believe the results of the election, all of which are nonsense beliefs or causes that were magnified on social media. At some point people in general - and HN in particular - have to decide when to rein in bad actors crying wolf. Otherwise the…

I just have to point out that your comment reads to me like you are crying wolf. However, I'm not a US citizen so I don't follow the situation closely.

US citizen here who followed the situation: they're not crying wolf.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by valarauko »

pid_0 wrote: post #578
ghostpepper wrote: post #566

Why is the second sentence of this article about how the CEO of Gab used a Transphobic slur? It kind of seems like the author threw that in there to make sure the reader agrees with their political views, but the article doesn't say what the slur was, and I don't think the author would defend the idea that being transphobic makes it okay to hack a person's website, but it kind of feels like that's the point implicitl…

He said “trannies” I wouldn’t say it’s a transphobic slur. He said it to clearly piss off people though. The ceo sounds like a very secure, happy person with no mental problems. Also, transgender issues aren’t political. Modern monetary theory can be political. Immigration policies are political. Human rights are not political. I’m not a liberal or anything, just a rational person.

Nice try, Donald G. McNeil, Jr. :)

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by xupybd »

dagmx wrote: post #699
xupybd wrote: post #237

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The problem is left and right are not a single dimension. Liberal left wing policies can often overlap with libertarian right wing policies. This is because the align on the freedom dimension. There are other examples but I don't think you can argue that Mao and Stalin are not left wing. They both push the idea that the state can and should supply the needs of the people. This is a very left wing view on both the fin…

I agree that there's overlap in certain areas. However it also depends are you simply looking at the economic beliefs of left/right wing idealogies or also social rights? It also depends on which era of left vs right is being considered, since the traits of the spectrum have changed over the decades. Perhaps the issue is many consider only the economic models as the indicator, whereas many others consider the entiret…

Well that is what I was trying to illustrate. There is an authoritarian right ( e.g. Hitler ) and an authoritarian left ( e.g Stalin ).

It sucks if you're on the left or right and are more on the pro freedom end when someone drags up the authoritarian cohort of your respective side.

I'm right of centre ( pro private industry ) but anti fascism. I'm pro private industry because I don't like a concentration of power. So a mix of small government with the power to provide basic services and break up monopolies seems the best way to keep everything free. So slightly left wing social policies such as free medical care aren't my first choice but much better than giving the government more surveillance powers. So I think I'm further away from fascism than I am from socialism. Yet as I'm right of centre people throw Hitler is on your side at me.

Re: Gab has been hacked and 70GB of data leaked

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Post by ModernMech »

motogpjimbo wrote: post #657
ModernMech wrote: post #621

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I just looked and nothing about seizing the means of production from our capitalist overlords, or that money is a construct that needs to be abolished is trending on Twitter today.

You are attempting humour of course, but leftists in the West have long since abandoned those goals - I wouldn't expect anything of that sort to trend on Twitter.

The far left is still advocating these things. That's what makes them the far left. If you just lop off the extreme wing of the spectrum so you can call the mainstream left "far left", where does that leave the people advocating for democratic control over the means of production?
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