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Post by seesaw »

mirkules wrote: post #318
obiefernandez wrote: post #235

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This is a great point that is not made often enough. The logical conclusion is that the de-platformed actors get mad enough that they start lashing out in criminal ways, doing stuff that gets them locked up or killed, or otherwise "de-platformed" in real life. There's some short term pain, but ultimately society has a net win. Convince me I'm wrong...

It’s so easy to think of “societal net gain” when you are on the winning side. However, when you are on the receiving end of “societal net gain,” it is a much tougher pill to swallow. In other words, personal sacrifice by choice is laudable; mandatory personal sacrifice is the opposite. The expression has never been “What’s good for the gander is good for the goose”

I feel the real underlying issue is economic disparity. When breads and circuses stop, you will see riots. It gets worse when media has a hard time getting eye balls unless they can show outrage.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by _rend »

tenaciousDaniel wrote: post #716
nxc18 wrote: post #512

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> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels Why do you think this? Racism was the absolute norm in the US until ~not that long ago. It’s literally written into the constitution and it took literal bloodshed to change that. And then when we did, there was massive pushback in the form of Jim Crow laws. Statistically you’d expect half of people to be dumber than a…

Where is racism "literally written" into the constitution? edit: look I know it's bad form on here to complain about being downvoted, but I was asking an honest question. Chill, people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

The Three-fifths Compromise was a compromise reached among state delegates during the 1787 United States Constitutional Convention. Delegates disputed whether and how slaves would be counted when determining a state's total population, as this number would determine a state's number of seats in the House of Representatives and how much it would pay in taxes. The compromise counted three out of every five slaves as people...

In the US Constitution, the Three-fifths Compromise is part of Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3:

    Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons [italics added].[2]

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by throwaway33292 »

sjg007 wrote: post #474
Ancapistani wrote: post #458

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It’s slightly more complicated than that. First, the position of the plaintiffs of those cases is that the actions of the “other half” have effectively disenfranchised them. If disenfranchisement is the issue at hand, it follows that one should investigate when someone claims to have been disenfranchised. Second, every case that I’ve followed up on has been denied on the grounds of standing. My understanding is that…

There is no evidence.

https://navarroreport.com/

You’ve heard of this report, correct? Or the paper written by John Lott of the DOJ?

There is evidence, but it sounds like you’ve only heard contradictions (not rebuttals) and rhetoric designed to avoid factual debate, as evidenced by your comments in this thread.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by claudiawerner »

metiscus wrote: post #50
ironman1478 wrote: post #17

Just ban it and don't let it back, lets be done with this.

Moving the discourse further away from the light won't help cure the divide in this country. We need more discussion, not less. We need to get both sides talking to each other not to themselves about each other.

>We need more discussion, not less.

Is there any reasoning for thinking this? Besides that, discussion cannot fix harms created by previous discussion - it can only (maybe) prevent future harms.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by freeone3000 »

lr4444lr wrote: post #670
jmknoll wrote: post #542

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Is it really that implausible that half the population isn't willing to think critically about a nuanced problem, or to accept evidence that contradicts their desired narrative? Statistics aren't always reliable, but somewhere around 1/3 of American adults believe that climate change is a hoax, and evolution is a lie.

Fine, but do their hair-brained ideas and failure to think critically merit shutting them out of public discourse?

If they're shut out of public discourse, why do we keep hearing about them?

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by FridgeSeal »

zaroth wrote: post #648
dakial1 wrote: post #493

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People don't seem to understand what censorship is. Nobody is threatening throwing them in jail for saying anything, platforms are just saying "your speech is not welcome in my platform". They can still say whatever they want it in the streets. If they want a platform for it they can build it themselves....

> If they want a platform for it they can build it themselves... Right, right. That’s working out well for Parlor.

They found their own pool to go pee in, and now they’re surprised that nobody wants to swim with them.

It’s not everyone else’s fault that nobody else wants to be around these people. If you go to the pub and start picking fights you’ll be avoided and thrown out pretty quickly. This is the same: they went off and created their own app, their behaviour got worse, and now nobody else wants to deal with them. What is unreasonable here?

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Post by nxc18 »

tenaciousDaniel wrote: post #716
nxc18 wrote: post #512

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> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels Why do you think this? Racism was the absolute norm in the US until ~not that long ago. It’s literally written into the constitution and it took literal bloodshed to change that. And then when we did, there was massive pushback in the form of Jim Crow laws. Statistically you’d expect half of people to be dumber than a…

Where is racism "literally written" into the constitution? edit: look I know it's bad form on here to complain about being downvoted, but I was asking an honest question. Chill, people.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-fifths_Compromise

I guess I am conflating the history of slavery in the US with racism.

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Post by [deleted] »

tanseydavid wrote: post #543
colinmhayes wrote: post #509

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>I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I don't fully understand their perspective. I don't think you've met enough people. Most people I've met are gullible idiots who are looking for excuses to believe nonsense.

In all seriousness, if most people you have met are 'gullible idiots who are looking for excuses to believe nonsense', then it may be you, perhaps, who has 'not met enough people?'

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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by freeone3000 »

lliamander wrote: post #678
Terretta wrote: post #533

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> I find it implausible half the population is dumb Half the population is dumber than average.

It's highly improbable that the right wind of politics solely resides within the lower half of the bell curve, or that there is even a strong correlation.

No, it's not, because it's a self-association. You might as well say it's highly improbable that the lowest income are also the least educated -- nothing says these variables are independent, and it's highly likely that they are, in fact, linked.
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