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The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Shouldn’t the metric incorporate the risk each activity entails? A good example is gardeners. Gardeners work alone or in teams of two, can obey social distancing, and generally don’t even talk to their clients on a regular basis. What is the threat here? What is so magical about the word essential? On the flip side large alcohol stores like Bevmo can stay open and serve hundreds of customers a day because they sell c…

1) Liquor stores are kept open because a (surprisingly high) percentage of the population are severe alcoholics and sudden withdrawal can kill them. 2) No public health professional has time to list and quantify all of the routine processes of every profession to create a complex matrix of risk. And 99% of the public would ignore that matrix if it was created and published. The simpler and more effective public healt…

Alcoholics are a pretty resourceful bunch, I’m sure they can find their local Wal-Mart, Target, or 7/11. Nobody is going to die because Bevmo is closed.

As to your point about selectively closing businesses being hard, isn’t that a good thing? We shouldn’t put tens of millions of people out of jobs because it’s easier than enumerating what can and can’t stay open. The burden should be on the experts to make their case; after all they have had more than a month now to figure out a plan of attack.

How many deaths due to coronavirus are too many? Right now it seems like public health experts are taking the view that any death is one too many. And they’re willing to present or skew the facts to get that point across. I would rather them be upfront about the benefits and risks, rather than take a paternalistic viewpoint. There are real costs to keeping the country closed, and we shouldn’t discount them.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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I hate how the idea of reopening has split down political party lines. This is definitely not the time for partisanship. Now that Republicans have come out as pro-reopening, San Francisco will be the last city to reopen in the country. 0 COVID-19 infections will be too many.

It's so predictable. Intelligent people say "we must/must not do this because consequences will be bad", Republicans say "we'll let you do this regardless of consequences", idiots support Republicans because of short term conveniences.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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I'm lucky enough to have remote work. And I'm sure many HNers have a nice buffer of savings from their tech jobs to weather the storm or are getting paid time off. But can anyone share what it's like to not be in either of these situations? How are your rent lords handling things? I live abroad in a cheap country so I can handle zero income, but I wouldn't be able to last long if rent was $2000+/mo instead of the Yet…

My friend who works at the airport in the Galapagos (GPS) was telling me that no one has gotten paid since the tourism stopped. Luckily she can work on farm, but many can't. The local animal shelter there is now out of food, and the dogs will starve if they don't somehow raise money in the next 3 days or so (@patitasgalapaguenas on instagram, you can donate here [0]). The US is struggling in many ways, but I can't he…

Probably it's my first reply on HN but dontated!

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

#724

I'm lucky enough to have remote work. And I'm sure many HNers have a nice buffer of savings from their tech jobs to weather the storm or are getting paid time off. But can anyone share what it's like to not be in either of these situations? How are your rent lords handling things? I live abroad in a cheap country so I can handle zero income, but I wouldn't be able to last long if rent was $2000+/mo instead of the Yet…

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Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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https://www.natlawreview.com/article/employers-and-workers-i... Says most states. Without much searching I found at least 3 (AK,WA and CA).

CA is currently requiring the unemployed to be actively seeking work to receive benefits? That can’t be right.

Yeah, it's not right. As a CA resident who has looked into it, their unemployment website specifically says that requirement is waved

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

#726

I hate how the idea of reopening has split down political party lines. This is definitely not the time for partisanship. Now that Republicans have come out as pro-reopening, San Francisco will be the last city to reopen in the country. 0 COVID-19 infections will be too many.

I hate how the idea of reopening has split down political party lines. This is definitely not the time for partisanship. Now that Democrats have come out in support of gradually tapering the quarantine, Republican mayors will be chomping at the bit to reopen their cities. 60,000 COVID-19 deaths will be too few.

Not all locales and politicians are equally activist.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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That's what's supposed to be happening in CA right now. The 2nd shelter-in-place order stated that, even if you are an essential business, you were not allowed to operate non-essential components of your business.

I'd be pretty pissed off about roped-off aisles. When other people in the store aren't very vigilant about maintaining social distancing, having the additional aisles to escape into is a big deal.

They could still use aisles for transit, but if you're a hardware store with a garden area, you'd just need to close that one section. Though I'm sure you could make a case that someone gardening in their yard is essential, because it reduces their grocery store trips if they're growing food.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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I hate how the idea of reopening has split down political party lines. This is definitely not the time for partisanship. Now that Republicans have come out as pro-reopening, San Francisco will be the last city to reopen in the country. 0 COVID-19 infections will be too many.

Why is it that you're afraid of this being "split down political party lines," but OK with the fact that "Republicans have come out as pro-reopening?"

If the science supports shelter-in-place for now, it's automatically bad that Democrats support that to avoid splitting from Republicans?

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

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Anyone thinking of moving out?

I can't help but wonder - is the bay area housing crisis being resolved now?

Nah, there's enough tech people with $$ in the bank and reliable RSUs that it's not going to break. Unfortunately.

Re: The San Francisco Bay Area shelter-in-place order is being extended through May

#730

When I was younger I could never understand why anyone would vote republican. Today I understand.

Because their Dear Leader thinks that UV light & Lysol is going to play a role in treating COVID-19 patients?
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