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Not necessarily, and maybe they didn't need artificial ventilation which is the big deal here.
Also, flu didn't go away. covid-19 is in addition to the stress to the health system caused by flu (and all other diseases) and in a very short time.
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I am from Italy and every single friend of mine working in healthcare as a doctor has confirmed me that the situation is like the one described here. A friend of mine who is an orthopedist outside lomdardia has also confirmed that they have already asked him to work extra hours and they are already at full capacity, so he's preparing to assist covid patients. Personally I know a girl whose soon-to-be husband from zer…
So doctors work overtime during situations like this. Surprise. My problem with these reports is that they have a tendency to spread fear, especially the way the are presented. They also undermine trust in public information which only makes it harder to implement measures, in turn making it harder to contain the virus.
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In Germany a friend of mine refused to go to a meeting at a client's office where someone tested positive and HR threatened him because he was violating his employment contract.
If they closed the office, cleaned it, and tested everyone else, it would be reasonable. But I guess they didn't do this. Which really our society is not set up for. Actually Covid-19 cleaning solutions would be a temporary business to get into.
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That is an incredibly short sighted view. We need to be proactive not reactive. This virus is here and it's here in a big way. Positive cases are not the full picture. Median incubation period is 5 days. Italy is a warning and we're not taking it. We should all be in quarantine now so this doesn't get out of hand rather than wait for it to become uncontrollable and then trying to de-escalate it.
Ok, so you suggest every single person in Germany to be quarantined. Whether they have symptoms or not. Now that's what I call an over reaction.
Countries have to overreact to the circumstances that they are confronted with because in a week the situation will be much worse if they don't. The only options are to overreact when everything seems fine or to overreact when the hospitals are full past capacity.
The choices here are to overreact before the virus gets past the border; overreact when the first cases appear; overreact when the first cluster is identified or overreact when people who can't breath are being turned away from hospitals. We have yet to see what happens past that point because so far everyone has instituted a quarantine then. Germany is at the clusters developing stage.
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In Germany a friend of mine refused to go to a meeting at a client's office where someone tested positive and HR threatened him because he was violating his employment contract.
Am in Germany. Everyone is acting like nothing is happening. It's infuriating.
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There's hundreds of similar recounts on social media at the moment, this is not an isolated case
Social media really seems to be the bane of the 21st century...
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In Denmark yesterday a couple of kids in the same class in a school were tested positive, they closed the classroom - not even the school. I would certainly like to see the example of a country able to learn from the mistakes of others.
State of Georgia closed a school and quarantined the firemen who were sent to the school all on the account of a teacher being diagnosed. Quarantines of mass amounts of the population are not going to help, what needs to be done is isolate those most at risk from the general population
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The numbers out of Korea are nowhere near 20%. About 0.9% of cases are considered severe, according to the most recent statements from the KCDC: https://m.yna.co.kr/view/AKR20200307046000017?fbclid=IwAR0tl... Someone is exaggerating, or something is fundamentally inadequate about the Italian response.
South Korea has been administering way more tests than anyone else: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/covid-19-testing/ There is plenty of evidence that many cases are asymptomatic or mild which means the true infection numbers for most countries are likely understated. So the true number of infected individuals in Italy is likely much higher than the reported number of cases. The other thing to consider, is…
Also, the last time I checked, something like 75% of patients were part of the Shinjonji "religion" whose members skew very young demographically.
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In the United States there's a lot of denialism right now. People here are trying to find any reason that they can point to about other countries to indicate that the drastic measures that they've taken aren't necessary here. That the hospitals being pushed to the breaking point won't happen here. I wasn't sure if that's what cjbprime was going for (and it wasn't!), but I thought I'd respond to that sentiment just in…
Fair, though I don't think the US is especially unique in that regard; plenty of other countries seem to be denying the issue until it's too late. Even China waited until right before the start of the Chinese New Year (by which point a bunch of people were already out and about traveling) to impose its quarantine on Wuhan; by that point, South Korea already had confirmed cases, and the virus was likely already in Ita…
As an example: The Netherlands, where I live, has had a significant rise and our measures are.. self-isolate on showing symptoms, wash hands more often and don't shake hands. The former completely misses the problems with spreading during the incubation period (and worse, there are cases where you may leave, despite not being tested negative yet, solely on the basis of not showing symptoms. This totally misses the fact one can still be a carrier for at least a few days: antibodies don't work outside your body, last time I checked biology). The middle one is self-explanatory, but may also hurt your microbiome and can cause resistant bacteria when done too aggressively. The third measure.. completely misses the scope of the problem. You can still touch objects others have touched on the regular, still opening up a potentially worse way for the virus to carry over. Not to mention the primarily presented alternative is to.. touch elbows? Which looks like a poor joke and still results in touch.
What are some alternatives that would have more effect? Work from home unless coming to the office is absolutely necessary, don't go to social places (especially not large city centers like Amsterdam, Utrecht, etc.), avoid social contact with strangers or outgoing people. All measures that could be implemented fairly easily and have minimal impact on the economy given the alternatives: can't shop physically? Shop online. Can't have social contact online? Play an online game, chat through VoIP. Not working at the office? Surely you can be at least 80-90% as efficient as at the workplace with some etiquette, have some discipline. And don't get me started on people who get the flu, infect others and completely ignore that other illnesses may mask the virus.
Maybe survival of the fittest just needed to weed out stupidity. But hey, that's all just my opinion / hypothesis.
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I am from Italy and every single friend of mine working in healthcare as a doctor has confirmed me that the situation is like the one described here. A friend of mine who is an orthopedist outside lomdardia has also confirmed that they have already asked him to work extra hours and they are already at full capacity, so he's preparing to assist covid patients. Personally I know a girl whose soon-to-be husband from zer…
So doctors work overtime during situations like this. Surprise. My problem with these reports is that they have a tendency to spread fear, especially the way the are presented. They also undermine trust in public information which only makes it harder to implement measures, in turn making it harder to contain the virus.