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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by ceejayoz »

mosura wrote: post #707
ceejayoz wrote: post #680

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly not; I myself held a green card at one point. But that's a bit like responding to "Auschwitz was bad!" with "so you oppose giving free food and housing to Jews?!" I object to how enforcement is being performed, and the collateral damage ICE is willing to inflict on citizens not in their legal purview. Now let's do you. Do you think the President should have a relatively blank check to get away with being co…

Your problem is you want things more than think about them. The rot of the bureaucracy coming to convenient decisions extends from illegally allowing millions of people to take up residence in the country to convicting people of trumped up nonsense in an obvious attempt to keep them from office to subvert the democratic intent of the people. This is why Trump and co are the clean up crew before returning to a happier…

You: "Selectively enforcing only the laws you want to is the key enabler of corruption."

Also you: "convicting people of trumped up nonsense..."

Whoops. Someone sure seems… selective. (And we've gone full circle, to my original point.)

> Your problem is you want things more than think about them.

This is precisely the implementation problem inherent in "immediately deport tens of millions of people upon which American society has relied on for decades for cheap labor".

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by RickJWagner »

willmarch wrote: post #555
RickJWagner wrote: post #497

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There are plenty of examples of peaceful protestors being attacked by ICE and Americans being locked up simply for not producing papers on demand.

Can you provide an example of an unambiguously peaceful protester being attacked? Id like to research one you consider a clear case.

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Post by _bohm »

alpine_accentor wrote: post #683
_bohm wrote: post #627

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I don't accept the framing that this is about law enforcement in the first place. I believe that this administration is run by xenophobic right wing extremists who care little for the distinction between legal and illegal immigration. They have weaponized ICE against the Somali community in Minneapolis today, the overwhelming majority of whom are legal refugees. As we have seen, they will not hesitate to weaponize IC…

The American public has sadly elected this administration. I agree with you in principle, especially when legal immigrants become targets. But again, if the actions of this administration are not just morally wrong but illegal there are courts, and in any case there are elections. The people of one state or one city can not obstruct the will of the Union, it is fundamentally undemocratic way of interfacing with the f…

I'm sorry, but if you still have any expectation that this administration will engage in good faith in any democratic process, you either haven't been paying attention or are engaging in willful self-delusion. They do not believe in democracy. They care about free speech only insofar as they can use it to claim they are being victimized, but will gleefully take it away from their opponents. They laugh in your face while they pardon the J6 insurrectionists. The presidential election is not and ought not be a referendum on whether or not we all get to have our rights trampled by gun-toting masked goons. At a certain point you have to stand up for what's right--that is, a reclamation of democracy.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by jasondigitized »

embedding-shape wrote: post #315
andrewvc wrote: post #19

For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

Y'all got guns over there?

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Post by buellerbueller »

gehwartzen wrote: post #510
oxqbldpxo wrote: post #21

And ppl were worried about China's 1984 style use of Ai, lol. In the end it was greedy software developers that enable this.

Some guy on X recently commented on how “dystopian” Flock’s nationwide surveillance is. Response by Garry Tan (CEO of YC)[1] “You're thinking Chinese surveillance US-based surveillance helps victims and prevents more victims” [1] https://x.com/garrytan/status/1963310592615485955

Surveillance does not prevent victims. Precrime would, but who wants that?

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Post by macleginn »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #262

Worth reminding everyone in the EU and UK that this is not a 'them' problem. Palantir is the main software vendor for Europol. Equally pretty much all the 1984 proposals for age or id online verification that are being massaged into existence (both in the UK and pushed by the European Commission) have their fingers all over them. They sell pre-crime and opinion control to our democratic leaders and apparently everyon…

Speaking of UK, they also run the NHS data warehousing.

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Post by foldr »

RickJWagner wrote: post #710
foldr wrote: post #677

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> I find it hard to believe that any law enforcement agents anywhere would tolerate these actions without similar response. It’s interesting that that’s your perception. In a lot to countries it’s very rare for the police to kill anyone in the sorts of circumstances you’re describing.

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They’re arrested and charged with appropriate offenses, e.g. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyg3j2kvzdo.amp

Renee Nicole wasn’t driving a car at anyone, but regardless, it is stupid to shoot someone who’s driving a car at you as it won’t stop the car. What you need to do in that situation is get out of the way.

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Post by yongjik »

afavour wrote: post #398
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

A broad answer: because America is more violent. The ICE officers are armed and absolutely will use their weapons if given half a chance to. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think any rioters in countries like Spain go to a protest with a bet real chance on their minds that they might die.

Just shows that the second amendment is an obsolete idea, and in today's real world it's more likely to oppress people's right to protest than help them fight tyranny.

ICE goons can shoot people because in America, law enforcement officers shooting citizens is thoroughly normalized. It's normalized because law enforcement officers getting shot is thoroughly normalized. It's normalized because the nation decided every village idiot can have a gun and the government can do nothing about it.

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Post by dragonwriter »

15155 wrote: post #674
dragonwriter wrote: post #546

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> So this was the whole point with the 2nd amendment right, that when/if the government repress you in that way, you have weapons to fight back? The point of the second amendment was, in no small part, so that the central government wouldn't deny the states the means to commit genocide against the indigenous population on their own, because the states didn't trust he central government to be sufficiently enthusiastic…

Zero of the Federalist papers corroborate this.

The Federalist papers were campaign ads for ratification of the base Constitution from a faction opposed to adding a Bill of Rights (an opposition explicitly stated in the Federalist Papers; it was, in fact, the central theme of Federalist #84.)

They are neither a reliable summary of the motivations for the provisions they support nor any kind of argument for the provisions in the Bill of Rights.

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Post by casey2 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #315
andrewvc wrote: post #19

For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

I'm guessing that the lady laying on her horn protesting ICE doesn't have many (or any) close friends/family
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