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They would absolutely be blamed by users for it.
Like when it happens on MacOS ? Oh wait…
Yes, people blame Apple for it when it happens on a macOS.
Have you ever worked an IT support desk?
Apple confirms it's breaking iPhone web apps in the EU on purpose
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The charging speed of USB-C cables (C on both ends) is pretty much just the slow ones and the fast ones, and "slow" is 60 watts.
No. PD is optional in standard.
Optional in what way?
Having power wires isn't optional. The ohm limits aren't optional. And they can handle 20 volts by virtue of using normal insulation.
The 60 watt limit is for completely passive cables that don't implement anything PD-specific.
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There is great value in building one product instead of three. >The kind of deep user information you can gather by installing a full blown app compared to a more sandboxed web app is worth way more than the 30% royalty cut. What kind of information is that?
Great value to whom? The only value I've ever heard of that made any sense at all was "saves me money and lets me change things and publish them faster" and that (as other commenters have said) is a developer / manager value, not a user value.
Developer value is totally user value. The developer "changes things and publish them faster" for the customer, it's not a hobby.
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Well shit, what user needs an app store to begin with? It was never about need , it was about what they could convince users to put up with.
Why do you think an app store isn't something people want, rather than something they put up with? What about the pre-app store world made it the one preferred by consumers in your mind?
> Why do you think an app store isn't something people want, rather than something they put up with?
Because it seems to be that way on MacOS. On Mac, the App Store is absolutely useless and exclusively something people do not want. It does not distribute the software users want, it charges them extra fees, and limits the type of app you distribute.
Judging by every single professional Mac user I've met, circumventing the App Store is a functional necessity for some. Most of them absolutely "put up with" the limitations and issues of MacOS.
> What about the pre-app store world made it the one preferred by consumers in your mind?
The freedom? The cheaper software? The stronger OS security models and lack of social-manipulation-as-a-security-feature?
If the post-App Store world is so great, people will keep living in it even when alternative stores exist. I suspect that most users will not give a rats ass about convenience if there's a 30% cheaper subscription elsewhere.
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I recommend that everyone interested in this topic read some of the comments from PWA developers at: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268643 Apple’s decision is going to kill businesses and break apps used by hundreds of thousands of people in Europe, many of whom are healthcare workers delivering patient care.
Patient care apps as PWAs? Yikes.
What's the concern here?
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Great value to whom? The only value I've ever heard of that made any sense at all was "saves me money and lets me change things and publish them faster" and that (as other commenters have said) is a developer / manager value, not a user value.
Developer value is totally user value. The developer "changes things and publish them faster" for the customer, it's not a hobby.
It's tempting to think so, but IME users download apps to get things done more than they want to "ooh" and "aah" over an app's UI changes and I've been an app developer since 2009. It's all too easy to push out someone's pet feature (or something to buff up someone's resume for their next job) and if it's a speed-focused company it's a coin flip whether there is someone acting as the gatekeeper to keep that kind of nonsense out.
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It is definitely odd to outsource your moral principles based on which mega corp you opened your wallet to.
Morals? You think you’re some kind of righteous crusader? I’m talking about toys and gadgets. The ability to view memes.
If that's your use case, then great!
My iPhone connects me to my government, my bank, my school, my family on the other side of the world, my portfolio, and perhaps most importantly; critical safety services (local avalanche forecasts in my case).
You can be damn well sure I'll be passionate about how it's controlled, and what capabilities the manufacturer is derailing in the interest of record profits.
(For clarity - I'm not the person you responded to, but this is HN so I thought I'd chime in on why some people are so passionate about this so called "toy")
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#718Very questionable argumentation. This can be seen from two different angles: 1. PWA is a native wrapper for a web application, not a browser. It is supposed to be limited to the app website. DMA does not tell Apple that every app with embedded WebView should offer users possibility to switch the engine. Why PWA should be treated differently here? I‘d rather clarify this with regulators first, before harming end users…
> In the meantime current solution could stay simply because it does not hinder any competition.
As I understand it, this is specifically not allowed by the DMA, since it would be considered an unfair advantage to Safari, if that browser/engine was the only one allowed to run PWAs.
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#719I’m primed to be upset with Apple these days, but this doesn’t seem like an unreasonable position. The EU is forcing them to do a bunch of work to support alternate browser engines, this in turn creates a bunch of additional work if Apple wants to fully support PWAs, and PWAs aren’t really in Apple’s financial interest to begin with, so f-it. They're not going to spend resources to add support for PWAs in the EU. It'…
> It's a rational choice.
Yes, I agree here. To me, this feels like the cookie legislation all over again, in the sense that the end result was a lot of annoying cookie banners instead of websites stopping the usage of cookies. And yes, I know that answering 'no' in these banners reduces the amount of cookies used, but I am seeing more and more websites where things like videos don't work unless you accept cookies.
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Apple has a decade+ track record of making devices that i really like. (At several points I’ve compared solutions across the market). Instead of siding with Apple, why would I side with anonymous and random internet commentators who have never made devices I want to buy?
It is definitely odd to outsource your moral principles based on which mega corp you opened your wallet to.
You opened your wallet to the same megacorp. The only difference is you're sitting on your high horse for some reason.