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- Acquired immunity fades with time - You aren't required to get the vaccine, you can undergo weekly testing instead
Natural immunity is stronger than artificial immunity https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v...
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there's no such thing as a conservative state, look at county level election maps. It's all rural vs Urban, even in New York and California. Suburbs are for the most part purple as well people who talk about succession and splitting off have no idea what they are talking about, it wouldn't be clean at all
There's no way to split geographically, and it won't be clean.
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I guess you don't subscribe to the possibility of mid-term and long-term effects of gene therapies. A pregnancy takes 9 months (which is longer than 8 weeks if my math is correct) and involves a child under 12 (again, check my math). But you're right! All this hand-wringing about 'the children' is just safetyism.
mRNA vaccines are not altering your genes and are not generally viewed as "gene therapy".
"Because mRNA falls into the broad vaccine category of genetic immunogens, many of the guiding principles that have been defined for DNA vaccines (162) and gene therapy vectors (163,164) can likely be applied to mRNA with some adaptations to reflect the unique features of mRNA." [0]
And still in 2021, Nature.com felt they were gene therapies:
"However, these mRNA vaccines, which have been developed and approved within a few months, signify a breakthrough in the field of gene therapy, which has battled to achieve ordinary acknowledgement due to a large number of sceptical and conservative scientists and other claimed safety and translational concerns."[1]
[0] https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243 [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41435-021-00136-6
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No, when you were a youth enough people were vaccinated that the RE dropped to almost nothing, meaning there were no breakouts. They never gave 100% immunity. They were also more numerically effective at keeping people from turning into a carrier, but they had the benefits of decades of tuning.
If vaccines never gave immunity how come people who had the natural immunity from having the disease naturally were not required to be vaccinated? Actually even in my older years all I had to present as a proof of vaccination to the US government was my blood with antibodies.
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At some point you have enough money, as a famous beloved man once said, and issues like agency become far more important (he didn't say that last part). Mississippi might be a poor state, but its GDP is still higher than most European countries.
Beats Greece per capita, but is beaten in net GDP. Tie with Greece is not an indicator of good economy :)
And its economy per capita is somewhere between Israel's and Slovenia's, hardly bad economies. And this from a state where more than half the kids grow up in small rural schools.
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Then why did we fight a war on keeping them together. Maybe both would be happier if south and middle states split from coast ones.
Money/economy was certainly a big reason. Back in 1860s, cotton and other plantation heavy industries where very lucrative, the southern states were very wealthy enough to be able to field a big army for years, while they lacked strong industry to support an extended campaign. Also manifest destiny and especially Monroe doctorine all pre dated the civil war, there was certainly strong idealogoical belief on who the c…
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Then why did we fight a war on keeping them together. Maybe both would be happier if south and middle states split from coast ones.
If you mean the civil war, that wasn't to "keep them together": it was one side forcing the other to get back in line and give up its slaves. It was not a conflict where two somewhat equal partners work out their difficulties, it was a war where the central government fought down an insurrection and during witch the south got utterly devastated and was under occupation for 10 years.
"Lincoln's 1863 Emancipation Proclamation did not apply to the border states. Of the states that were exempted from the proclamation, Maryland (1864), Missouri and Tennessee (January 1865), and West Virginia (February 1865) abolished slavery before the war ended. However, Delaware and Kentucky, while they saw a substantial reduction in slavery, did not see the abolition of slavery until December 1865, when the Thirteenth Amendment was ratified." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_states_(American_Civil_...
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> During Covid they CLOSED 3 entire floors of the Hospital due to inactivity, she was PISSED because those floors could have easily been used as overflow. >yes thay are "full" now because operational capacity has been significantly reduced. Well, most hospitals aren't limited by literal space. They are limited by personnel, or supplies, or even ICU capacity. Not square footage. > What sort of degenerate would wish th…
> Is it really wrong to request that if they want to use our health care system they take basic care of themselves? At least in the US, there is no "our" health care system. My employer and I pay about $500 / month in premiums for just me. My insurance company has made contractual agreements with the vast majority of health care providers (they've become more and more consolidated over the years) to provide service t…
I'm just going to ignore the rest of your troll comment.
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At this point, long term side effects would be known about: "History tells us that severe side effects are extremely rare, and if they do occur, they usually happen within the first two months" https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19...
So we can know the long term effects of a novel vaccine but we can’t know the long term effects of COVID? How does that make any sense? Don’t you think it’s more reasonable to assume we don’t know either?
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Indeed. People who raise this argument tend to ignore the fact that the most important impact of the vaccine is the systemic protection it offers against the irresponsibility of individual choice. The vaccine does not in fact guarantee person X will not be infected or hospitalized. Widespread vaccination does result in systemic reduction in community spread. Ponder that.
I get branch of questions you are raising, but I don't see anyone educated raising opposition to the vaccine. There could be lots of reasons for this to be true, not seeing them, they are staying quiet, etc. What we are witnessing in a distrust of non-demogogic power that has been instilled into the Republican base over the last 40 years. The multigrade attack on intellectualism, science, logic. That is like your opi…
Ironically, because COVID vaccinated individuals still transmit the virus, the individualistic argument now favors the vaccine. Since anyone vaccinated is going to reduce social distancing and try to “return to normal,” they will spread the virus. So now the individualistic argument is that you should get the vaccine because the virus will become endemic and on a long enough timeline you will become infected.