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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by MattRix »

userbinator wrote: post #97
firloop wrote: post #47

This is slightly different from what OpenCode was banned from doing; they were a separate harness grabbing a user’s Claude Code session and pretending to be Claude Code. OpenClaw was still using Claude Code as the harness (via claude -p)[0]. I understand why Anthropic is doing this (and they’ve made it clear that building products around claude -p is disallowed) but I fear Conductor will be next. [0]: See “Option B:…

and they’ve made it clear that building products around claude -p is disallowed Imagine not being able to connect services together or compose building-blocks to do what you want. This is absolute insanity that runs counter to decades of computing progress and interoperability (including Unix philosophy); and I'm saying this as someone who doesn't even care for using AI.

They aren’t stopping anyone from using claude -p, they are just charging for that usage.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by gverrilla »

Syntaf wrote: post #432
g-mork wrote: post #77

My answer to this is simply rolling back to the pro plan for interactive usage in the coming month, and forcefully cutting myself over to one of the alternative Chinese models to just get over the hump and normalise API pricing at a sensible rate with sensible semantics. Dealing with Claude going into stupid mode 15 times a day, constant HTTP errors, etc. just isn't really worth it for all it does. I can't see myself…

I put in probably thousands of Claude session hours a month, aggregated across work + personal. I must be missing something or supremely lucky because I feel like I’ve never hit these “stupid” moments. If I do, it’s probably because I forgot to switch off of haiku for some tiny side thing I was doing before going back to planning.

Most people hate reading. Therefore they don't know how to write. Therefore they can't prompt properly. Not to mention so many "enemies of logic" cults being so strong nowadays.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by andrew_eu »

Disappointing. I built a lovely little Nanoclaw bot that's been surprisingly helpful at raising a puppy. I haven't gotten this email, so I wonder if my usage is too low to catch their first pass. If they shut it down though, the fix is straightforward -- some API based backend with zero stickiness to Anthropic.

It is a pity though. For less than an hour of setup the Nanoclaw bot proved enormously useful at tracking meal times, training progress, etc and the interface was easy enough for the family to get involved. The ease of setup was really remarkable, and Anthropic creating artificial barriers just seems user hostile.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by sanex »

krater23 wrote: post #614
sanex wrote: post #335

Claude usage limits are insane. I love their models but had to cancel my personal plan because I would burn through my weekly limits in 2 days. I use them for work but I spend like $30-50 __per day__. Not something I'd pay for myself.

You don't make $50 per day? From where you are?

I do and my company is willing to pay that. I am not :)

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by subscribed »

iberator wrote: post #519
SkyPuncher wrote: post #9

Just give me a subscription tier where I’m not being blocked out every afternoon. Im hitting rate limits within 1:45 during afternoons. I can’t justify extra usage since it’s a variable cost, but I can justify a higher subscription tier.

Maybe start actually working and PROGRAMMING instead of simply cheating and ruining the job market at the same time? Usage of such tools should be forbidden in companies - its cheating and using code you didn't even wrote. thsts literally a crime

"Should be forbidden in companies"? I think you need to see some fresh headlines and read a few articles.

I presume that if you're such a vocal opponent of CC, you're also fighting using IDEs and other tools useful in software engineering, like CI pipelines?

Emacs/vim and make should be the maximum a person is permitted!

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by atmanactive »

kelnos wrote: post #334

I guess they're only sending this to people who use tools like OpenClaw. I don't, and haven't gotten an email. And I guess also won't get the free extra usage credit offer. Ah well.

I never used OpenClaw and I did get the email about free credits.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

cbg0 wrote: post #486
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #373

If you spend $200/month on Anthropic, that's $2400/year. Buy a fast GPU or Strix Halo machine, do the AI locally, after a year you're saving money.

The open models are still far behind GPT 5.4 and Claude if you're using them for building software.

I don't think people realize how irrational that argument is (that SOTA is better, so you have to use SOTA).

Open weights will always trail SOTA. Forever. So let's say they continue to get better every year. In 100 years, the open weight model will be 100x better than today. But the SOTA model will be 101x better. And still, people will make this argument that you should pay a premium for SOTA. Despite the open weights being 100x better than what we have today.

The open weights today are better than the SOTA models from a year ago. Yet people were using the SOTA models for coding a year ago. If people used SOTA models a year ago, then it was good enough, right? So why isn't the same (or better) good enough now?

The answer is: it is good enough. But people are irrationally afraid of missing out (FOMO). They're not really using their brains. They're letting fear lead their decisions. They're afraid "something bad" will happen if they don't use the absolute latest model. Despite the repeatable, objective benchmarks telling us all that open weights are perfectly capable of doing real work today, the fear is that we're missing out on something better. So people throw away their money and struggle with rate-limits because of their fear.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by [deleted] »

TheDong wrote: post #411
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #373

If you spend $200/month on Anthropic, that's $2400/year. Buy a fast GPU or Strix Halo machine, do the AI locally, after a year you're saving money.

If you want to run better models, you need one of the more expensive GPUs, like an H100 or such ($40k). I don't think any of the smaller models are remotely comparable to anthropic. The GPU also takes around $500-$1000 in electricity, and even then you won't be able to run a model of as good quality as anthropic. It's also hard to justify since who knows how quickly it will be outdated, like maybe soon you'll need a…

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