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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Centralized consolidation of PII IS THE RISK

Yes, but that means digital ID isn't the thing to complain about.

Both. Digital ID is so threatening it would require a perfect organization

Much like all technologies they have social impact at their roots and have to be evaluated together

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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A state intervention in the form of mandatory app installation that no user can deny is a danger, especially given that the current government has allegedly used cyber surveillance to plant "evidence" in the computers of dissidents like Stan Swamy who subsequently died in custody.

Another anonymous id posting the usual provocative narratives and instigatory tropes. The Govt. of India has already clarified that the app can be deactivated/deleted by the user if they don't want to keep it. Given the huge second-hand market for mobile phones in India (especially amongst the large uneducated/unskilled subset of the populace) and their troubling use for all sorts of Scams/Frauds/Terrorism-related ac…

GoI has not clarified anything. The Telecom Minister has only provided verbal clarification, that too, after the issue gained traction on the internet.

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This is propaganda from the fascist ruling party BJP/RSS. After the Bihar SIR exercise, not even a single illegal immigrant was found. All this talk of illegal immigrants is classic anti muslim dog whistle.

BS. I grew up in Delhi. We used to have a large open space where I and neighborhood kids used to play cricket . Eventually the whole area converted to slums with people from Bangladesh. They took over the whole area. I was too young to care about ethnicity but the loss of my cricket field still bothers me. My neighbor was a bank manager and he once said that the government politicians forced him to give "loans" to Ba…

What does any of this have to do with voter registrations?

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Illegal immigration is a problem whether you want to admit or or not. Just allow the amount of legal immigrants needed. Saying illegal immigration is not a problem is just as much of a smokescreen as saying immigrants are "the" problem.

Ah, well if it's a problem, it should be trivially easy for you to illustrate how exactly it's a problem, using hard facts and numbers. I earnestly invite you to do so!

See: demographic projections.

Europeans are projected to numerically lose control of America, which in a democracy is equivalent to losing control functionally.

It’s very convenient for a lot of people to pretend this doesn’t matter at all, and many or even most Europeans have at this point been brainwashed through childhood conditioning to not be able to go there even in their thoughts, lest they become the deepest evil, according to their conditioning.

But, in a sane world, anything pre-1945, the statement “Europeans are projected to lose control of America within single digit decades” would spur a panic.

Let me guess, I’m just a horrible immoral person and I’m not allowed to think about this, right? Do you have any arguments besides that one?

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> Apple's iOS powered an estimated 4.5% of 735 million smartphones in India by mid-2025, with the rest using Android, Counterpoint Research says.

Sounds like Google should be the one leading the charge against this. Will be interesting to see what they do.

> The app is mainly designed to help users block and track lost or stolen smartphones across all telecom networks, using a central registry.

It's an app. That's all it does now (presumably). Once installed, it can be changed in the future to do all kinds of terrible things. This is big brother.

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Yes, but that means digital ID isn't the thing to complain about.

Both. Digital ID is so threatening it would require a perfect organization Much like all technologies they have social impact at their roots and have to be evaluated together

I don't see how that's the case for digital ID by itself. I'm also pretty sure that we can analyse the impact of a single technology without also blaming it for the downsides of other, distinct policies.

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You can't ID people on porn sites with what's implemented in most European countries either. I feel like what you mean by "digital ID" is very different to what others mean.

Yes you can, eID means that you can prove your identity online using your digital signature.

Can is the key word here. As implemented today, users can choose whether to use digital ID. In my opinion, problems would only start if the users had no choice and the government was the one choosing for them.

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It is tiresome to repeat every single time the arguments that so many other cyber experts have also mentioned including here on YC. This is quite the common knowledge by now. Kindly use the search box on the bottom of the page.

That's because there aren't really any. Yes, it's kinda maddening that the best hardware to de-Google your life is to give Google even more money and buy a Google phone, but, after having used that search box, all I could find are complaints that it's not very usable because they disabled so much shit in the name of security and privacy, but I saw nothing where it fails at the technical details in protecting privacy.…

That is the first red flaming flag, yet you dismiss it like nothing albeit so many cybersec experts point out the same thing (references you can search them on previous discussions)

The second is forgetting things like actively promoting the usage of US government developed and sponsored tech like signal and Tor.

Then let's look at that availability of source code, which for some "reason" doesn't come out. Lest but not least, don't even wonder about their financing sources and constant spamming on sites like this as if there aren't better options.

You can bot away and say none of this matters. It does matter, not everyone here is dumb and I'll keep complaining no matter how many times the other bots downvote what is obviously just another gov-sponsored operation.

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This has already happened without digital ID ?

Sounds like a wonderful argument for centralizing it and making it a single button that a bureaucrat has to push.

We have a democratic system in place that decides what the government looks like.

If you live in a country that runs the risk of being captured by fascists or religious fanatics digital ID is the least of your problem.

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