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India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by rramadass »

b345 wrote: post #431
rramadass wrote: post #347

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A state intervention in the form of mandatory app installation that no user can deny is a danger, especially given that the current government has allegedly used cyber surveillance to plant "evidence" in the computers of dissidents like Stan Swamy who subsequently died in custody.

Another anonymous id posting the usual provocative narratives and instigatory tropes.

The Govt. of India has already clarified that the app can be deactivated/deleted by the user if they don't want to keep it.

Given the huge second-hand market for mobile phones in India (especially amongst the large uneducated/unskilled subset of the populace) and their troubling use for all sorts of Scams/Frauds/Terrorism-related activities etc. you need State help to manage the problem.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by satyamkapoor »

wiz21c wrote: post #435
guyomes wrote: post #402

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The best implementation I know of digital ID is the one in Estonia. It comes with a data tracker, such that each citizen can see who exactly has been looking at their data [1]. [1]: https://e-estonia.com/digital-id-protecting-against-surveill...

Done more or less like that in Belgium too. Basically, if any civil servant look at your data, this is recorded in the "Banque Carrefour de la Sécurité Sociale". Your eid is used to authentify/authorize you on various state web site (which is OK)

Have been using this service in Belgium and it really helps you gain trust. Ofcourse no one knows if there is still a back door

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by dvdkon »

rockskon wrote: post #487
dvdkon wrote: post #470

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You can't ID people on porn sites with what's implemented in most European countries either. I feel like what you mean by "digital ID" is very different to what others mean.

How come not? I typically hear of some scammy Zero-Knowledge Proof promising the world and delivering either an easy-to-pass-around identifier or something readily able to be mapped back to you as a person.

I feel like we're talking about completely different things. What's currently implemented in various EU countries is basically OAuth, where user attributes are verified by the state. Being able to map that account back to a specific person isn't a bug, but the whole reason for the system's existence.

Here's a marketing page for a WIP pan-EU project to implement this kind of digital ID: https://commission.europa.eu/topics/digital-economy-and-soci...

There are also various plans for age-verification schemes that should (partially) preserve anonymity, but those aren't implemented and it's not what people mean by "digital ID".

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by MonkeyClub »

rramadass wrote: post #348
MonkeyClub wrote: post #192

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The last para of your comment is inflammatory, biased, agenda driven and totally irrelevant to the topic under discussion. I note that you are posting under an anonymous id.

Modibhakting much?

I mean, it's one thing to parrot stuff like "inflammatory, biased, agenda driven and totally irrelevant", and another thing to state your point of contention.

After all, is it "inflammatory" to underscore discrimination and call it out?

And, yes, I am posting under an anonymous I'd - and so are you, as far as anyone is concerned. I came to the internet in the era of nicknames, not of full PII social networks, and I like it that way more.

Would it make the RSS and the BJP less far right if I posted under a real name?

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by MonkeyClub »

mike50 wrote: post #277
MonkeyClub wrote: post #192

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Hindu Nationalist

You're getting down voted, but I think your point was to clarify that it's not simply nationalist, but particularly Hindu nationalist.

You are correct, of course: it is.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by baxtr »

MonkeyClub wrote: post #155
rishabhaiover wrote: post #22

I'm shocked by people and state using the crutch of cyber crime or scams to push a totalitarian solution to a problem that is better solved by improved education and targeted campaigns against common security pitfalls. I abhor any decision that robs even a grain of my individual freedom.

> I'm shocked India is currently run by a nationalist regime headed by the so called "butcher of Gujarat"[1], there isn't much that would shock me wrt to that lot's totalitarian tendencies. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Narendra_Modi

Form your source:

Modi has often used a messianic tone in his speeches such as saying that his leadership qualities came from God. His latest claim to divinity was during the 2024 Lok Sabha elections when he said that while his mother was alive, he believed that he was born biologically but after her death he got convinced that God had sent him.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by greenavocado »

amarant wrote: post #242
nephihaha wrote: post #162

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Mate, this isn't even remotely "nationalist". This stuff is being pushed across the world. Digital ID? The only people really desperate for it are our rulers.

How so? In Sweden we have digital ID and it's great! Super practical and I struggle to think of how it would be used to spy on citizens, given that it has the same legal protections as banks have regarding your account transactions etc. Like sure you could in theory see every document I've ever signed if you have a warrant for BankID servers, but you could probably glean most of that if you had a warrant for the bank…

Your digital id is great until your leadership decides you need to be conscripted and sent to their meat grinder and the penalty for failing to appear for your death sentence is being cut off from food and water because everything is linked.

The idea of all these digital documents is never a problem until you go through the exercise of figuring out what it will all be used for (controlling you).

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by rramadass »

MonkeyClub wrote: post #494
rramadass wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last para of your comment is inflammatory, biased, agenda driven and totally irrelevant to the topic under discussion. I note that you are posting under an anonymous id.

Modibhakting much? I mean, it's one thing to parrot stuff like "inflammatory, biased, agenda driven and totally irrelevant", and another thing to state your point of contention. After all, is it "inflammatory" to underscore discrimination and call it out? And, yes, I am posting under an anonymous I'd - and so are you, as far as anyone is concerned. I came to the internet in the era of nicknames, not of full PII socia…

Caught your BS and triggered you, have i ?

All that you have posted are totally irrelevant to the topic under discussion. The only possible reason for it is if you have a personal instigatory agenda so as to try and steer the discussion in another totally negative direction.

As Slashdot named it, you are just a "Anonymous Coward" (i.e. Someone too cowardly to post their real name next to what they write) and a troll.

Re: India orders smartphone makers to preload state-owned cyber safety app

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Post by wkat4242 »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #363
noduerme wrote: post #287

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I think a lot of people in the US are clinging to the hope that this type of friction, along with judicial decisions, will cause the process of removing our legal protections to stall out. I'm not optimistic that this is the case, because the party currently driving the federal incursion on private and state-held data is the one that until recently was opposed to things like national ID. Anything can be done in the n…

I don’t really get why people seem convinced that the government is removing protections for all citizens under a smokescreen of illegal immigration handling, as opposed to taking limited and temporary measures to deal with an unusual situation. My current interpretation is that they are fear mongering about violence because they are actually way more racist than they admit publicly, and might want to remove more peo…

> But why do we think that they are using this as a ruse to like become despotically authoritarian in general? Do we think that the borders were opened intentionally to fabricate this “crisis”?

Maybe because many things Trump does and says are blatant lies and shameless despotic authoritarian ones? Ignoring courts, ignoring the constitution especially the first amendment, using his office for personal gain. I don't think I have to give examples because they're just too many. Only last week he pardoned a convicted drug dealer who was Hondurese president while planning to invade Venezuela and "just killing people" because of drugs for which there isn't even any evidence. It was just the last of many (including silk road captain Ross Ulbricht). Anyway that's just one of the recent things.

And the borders were never actually open. It's really hard to migrate to the US and the illegals do all the work the Americans won't do for almost nothing.

The real problem with public safety is the huge income gaps, leading to disenfranchised ghettos with festering organised crime gangs. A lot of them might be immigrants but many are born Americans. The thing they have in common that they are poor and have no upward opportunities.

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