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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by bityard »

jlvdh wrote: post #681
rvrb wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fedora Silverblue is the closest feeling to the macOS experience I fell in love with that I’ve had on Linux in, well, ever. Very happy with it on my desktop and laptop. It’s not perfect but it is less imperfect than modern macOS has become. Finding a laptop that works well is annoying, however.

I was using Pop!_OS and really loved it. Feature wise it would be an excellent replacement and I love the idea of running Linux. However, one day when I tried to update the Nvidia driver it failed and when I tried to revert back I got a bunch of errors. My computer is foremost a tool to me and I don't particularly enjoy nor have time for stuff like fixing drivers. Despite apple's flaws it gives me something that just…

Nvidia has always been a PITA on Linux, whether you're using the open source or proprietary drivers. Decent drivers, documentation, and support for their Linux community has always been somewhere between actively hostile against to barely an afterthought.

Go to any Linux distro subreddit right now and browse for people experiencing stability issues, random hanging, or no video on boot. Sometimes they don't mention it upfront but it almost always turns out they have an Nvidia card.

AMD and Intel GPUs have much better native open source support and (usually!) work out of the box without any effort.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by al_borland »

BruceEel wrote: post #22

I'm not quite sure what to make of Liquid Glass, I developed an allergy of sorts to the term while listening to the keynote. Any 'relevant' new features for power users / cmd line geeks that you know of?

Apple Notes now supports Markdown import and export.

Spotlight now supports actions, so you can do things directly from Spotlight (kind of like Quicksilver back in the day, or Raycast more currently). Your custom made Shortcuts can also be triggered. It’s also context aware, so you can do things for the app/document you’re in.

Spotlight also integrates clipboard history.

The Terminal gets Powerline glyphs, new themes, and new fonts.

The full list of changes is here:

https://www.apple.com/os/pdf/All_New_Features_macOS_Tahoe_Se...

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by dsego »

geerlingguy wrote: post #687
lylo wrote: post #581

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Framework?

Framework is nice but it's far from Apple's laptop hardware quality. The biggest draw of the Framework is its modularity.

Based on my framework 13 and macbook m1, I think the only downgrade are the speakers and the trackpad. The keyboard is actually an upgrade, the 2.8k screen has a better size ratio but the contrast is not as good, I'd say it's decent. The trackpad performs well but it's the old hinged design and not haptic. Being able to service my own laptop, replace parts and max out the storage for less money than a mid-spec macbook is just unbelievable.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by eviks »

mrandish wrote: post #106
12_throw_away wrote: post #79

I swear I don't usually complain about UI styling updates, because it's usually not a big deal - but this looks really, really bad [1]. It's less functional with bizarre transparency choices destroying legibility, and big rounded corners taking up more dead space. And stylistically, the layouts just look unbalanced and amateurish (It reminds me of what happens when I attempt to do CSS layouts). Most Linux desktops un…

It's ironic that Apple makes screen size incredibly expensive for every millimeter - and then designs UI which proceeds to waste that pricey real-estate as well as user time by burying options (or worse, simply removing many advanced user options "because they don't fit").

Same irony applies to storage

> Sequoia install used 21.6GB and a Tahoe install used 27.4GB, a nearly 6GB increase

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by josteink »

smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

> The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release.

I just tried it and maybe I've just been primed by the internet, but by god, I did not like it.

The side-bar design is terrible and lots of application (Maps, Music, etc) always look like they have a window overlapping the current application. So even with a single window open, my desktop already looks messy.

For people like me, with a slight OCD about certain details (don't talk to me about notification-bubbles), this is absolutely infuriating.

I'll disable auto-updates on all iDevices and Macs, and just keep on security-updates for previous gen OS as long as I can.

Eww.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by dreamcompiler »

Every new version of MacOS exhibits four phenomena:

1. Old bugs are not fixed.

2. New bugs are introduced, and I have to spend hours online figuring out workarounds.

3. Old features I depended on are removed, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to replace them.

4. New features I don't need are added and they get in my way, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to disable them.

My workflow productivity takes a months-long hit every time Apple upgrades MacOS. As a result I rarely upgrade MacOS until it's around 3 years old and I have no choice.

It appears that Tahoe is going to be the worst example of this in a long time.

Which is why I'm moving as much of my daily workflow as possible to Linux.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by agos »

eloisant wrote: post #666
jdkee wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs would never have allowed this to be released.

People need to stop idolizing Steve Jobs like Apple only produced consistent UI when he was there. Apple have never respected its own guidelines, for example in the early days of MacOSX there were "brushed metal" apps that were supposed to be (according to the guidelines) for small non-resizable windows. Still, there most popular app, iTunes, broke that by being brushed metal despite being a big, resizable window.

iTunes also had a modal settings window, in defiance of another rule

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by al_borland »

dsego wrote: post #534
jmull wrote: post #362

I'm baffled by the hate. So far, it's just some nice looking cosmetic changes. All entirely inconsequential -- I've seen nothing yet that will affect my workflows in any way.

I don't think so, apple supposedly cares about aesthetics and design. If I didn't care about little details I would use windows. Like Steve Jobs said, it comes down to taste. Why would I use a flawed unpolished product, it doesn't reassure me that the technical side was even done well.

This UI refresh seems better than Jony Ive’s attempt. The first version he was in control of was probably the worst UI they’ve had. Poor contrast, ultra-thin fonts, strange color pallet, and the buttons were gone. Need a back button, here: <. Liquid Glass seems much better than that, and they will continue to refine it, just like they did Ive’s design.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by al_borland »

OhioMan2943 wrote: post #281

I love how when apple could offer nothing more, their ui became nothing, and a celebration of blankness

That’s the goal of all their products, the hardware as well. Get out of your way, and effectively disappear, so you can focus on what you’re actually working on.
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