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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by spopejoy »

calgoo wrote: post #685
macrolime wrote: post #570

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Yeah, it's like an idiot savant intern who has memorized all the API docs in the world, but still somehow struggles to work independently.

And never remembers what we talked about 5 minutes ago on a different thread.

This is where something like Perplexity's "memory" feature is really great. It treats other threads similarly to web resources.

I would love to understand better just how Perplexity is able to integrate up-to-date sources like other theads (and presumably recent web searches, but I haven't verified this, they could be just from the latest model) into it's query responses. It feels seamless.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by thatscot »

chris_engel wrote: post #615
e1g wrote: post #338

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I’m a founder/CTO of an enterprise SaaS, and I code everything from data modeling, to algos, backend integrations, frontend architecture, UI widgets, etc. All in TypeScript, which is perfectly suited to LLMs because we can fit the types and repo map into context without loading all code. As to “why”: I’ve been coding for 25 years, and LLMs is the first technology that has a non-linear impact on my output. It’s simult…

i've been using llm-based tools like copilot and claude pro (though not cc with opus), and while they can be helpful – e.g. for doc lookups, repetitive stuff, or quick reminders – i rarely get value beyond that. i've honestly never had a model surface a bug or edge case i wouldn’t have spotted myself. i've tried agent-style workflows in copilot and windsurf (on claude 3.5 and 4), and honestly, they often just get stu…

Yeah completely agree.

Honestly reading some of the comments here makes me want to do some sort of course on using them properly. I feel like I'm using them incorrectly.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by ghc »

redhale wrote: post #699
ghc wrote: post #581

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> surely we could agree that CC with Cursor's UX I can't stand the UX, or VS Code's UX in general. I vastly prefer having CC open in a terminal alongside neovim. CC is fully capable of opening diffs in neovim or otherwise completely controlling neovim by talking to its socket.

Fair enough. I guess a better way to put it is: for people who like Cursor's UX, but prefer Claude Code's performance as an agent, the combination of both would be the true killer app. Having to choose between these feels like a temporary gap in the evolution of these tools, and I'm ready for us to get past it.

I sympathize with your feeling that there is a "gap", but I'm fairly certain that both my ideal workflow and your ideal workflow are unlikely to be anything more than evolutionary dead ends, like early automobiles that inherited the shape of horse-drawn carriages.

I don't know where the evolution of coding agents will take us in the next couple of years, but I would not be shocked if it looks more like a GitHub issue/PR tracker than a code+chat interface with autocomplete, etc. I'm already noticing the I'm starting to rely on tux + multiple CC instances with independent work trees instead of babysitting each proposed change.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by jschveibinz »

There are probably some extremely unhappy VC's, angels and employees over at Windsurf right about now.

Windsurf's Funding Rounds

Windsurf has raised a total of $243M over 2 funding rounds. One was Series C round of $150M from Investors like General Catalyst and Kleiner Perkins and the other was Series B round of $65M from Investors like Kleiner Perkins and General Catalyst. Here is the list of all funding rounds of Windsurf: Round Details Series C, $150M, Aug 29, 2024 Post money valuation - Revenue multiple - Investors General Catalyst, Kleiner Perkins, Greenoaks Round Details Series B, $65M, Jan 30, 2024 Post money valuation - Revenue multiple - Investors Kleiner Perkins, General Catalyst, Greenoaks

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by benoau »

jschveibinz wrote: post #704

There are probably some extremely unhappy VC's, angels and employees over at Windsurf right about now. Windsurf's Funding Rounds Windsurf has raised a total of $243M over 2 funding rounds. One was Series C round of $150M from Investors like General Catalyst and Kleiner Perkins and the other was Series B round of $65M from Investors like Kleiner Perkins and General Catalyst. Here is the list of all funding rounds of W…

> Bloomberg reports that Google is paying $2.4 billion to license Windsurf’s technology and hire its top employees.

Sounds like they're getting a payoff but probably not what they had in mind with the much larger numbers being thrown around for AI.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

gsibble wrote: post #289
kylehotchkiss wrote: post #207

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Maybe the expectation that a job leading to an equity windfall is something people should be more cautious about.

It's something you should never assume is true until the wire hits your account. I had a deal where I was going to make $15 million called off 36 hours before closing.

Aw man, I'm really sorry to hear you had to experience that.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by nmfisher »

bluelightning2k wrote: post #666
lukan wrote: post #219

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Why are there actually only a few people in the world able to do this? The basic concept is out there. Lots of smart people studying hard to catch up to also be poached. No shortage of those I assume. Good trainingsdata still seems the most important to me. (and lots of hardware) Or does the specific training still involves lots of smart decisions all the time? And those small or big decisions make all the difference…

It's a staggeringly bad deal. It's a hugely expensive task where unless you are the literal best in the world, you would never even see any usage. And even for those who are BOTH best and well known they have to be willing to lose billions on repeat with no end in sight. It's very very rare to have winner takes all to such an extreme degree as code llm models

I don't think it's literally "winner takes all" - I regularly cycle between Gemini, DeepSeek and Claude for coding tasks. I'm sure any GPT model would be fine too, and I could even fall back to Qwen in a pinch (exactly what I did when I was in China recently with no ability to access foreign servers).

Claude does have a slight edge in quality (which is why it's my default) but infrastructure/cost/speed are all relevant too. Different providers may focus on one at the expense of the others.

One interesting scenario where we could end up is using large hosted models for planning/logic, and handing off to local models for execution.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

oblio wrote: post #700
Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #652

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I use a laptop with 4090 16GB VRAM, core i9 and 96GB RAM for low latency work and Mac mini M4 for tasks which doesn’t require low latency. I had written a blog on how I run LLM locally a while back[1] I’ll update the information on models & Mac mini soon. [1] https://abishekmuthian.com/how-i-run-llms-locally/

Have you tried to hook up your local setup to Cline/Roo or similar stuff?

I haven’t heard of them, can you explain how it could be useful for those run LLMs locally ?

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by oblio »

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #708
oblio wrote: post #700

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Have you tried to hook up your local setup to Cline/Roo or similar stuff?

I haven’t heard of them, can you explain how it could be useful for those run LLMs locally ?

They're agentic IDEs. They don't "do" anything to Llama, they run on top.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by d_sc »

mikeg8 wrote: post #569
d_sc wrote: post #550

There’s a lot of talk about Claude Code in here, and I agree it’s a great agentic coding tool. One of the benefits of Cursor & Windsurf is/was the ease for smaller companies to setup Team accounts and have control over spend. Claude Code I think misses this. You can get an enterprise account if you commit to over, what.. 70 seats annually? If you’re an individual you can get Max 5x/20x .. But for smaller companies, I…

A small company can just pay the $250 a month for X number of employees to each have CC max plan. Not that complicated

I thought that was against the terms of service from Anthropic and they have the rights to disable/ban accounts doing that.
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