i would be so pissed if I was an employee who got nothing out of the deal and left to dry now
OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#562Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, my CC usage is regularly $50-$100 per day , so their Max plan is absolutely great value that I don’t expect to last.
Is there a cheap version for hobbyists? Or what’s the best thing for hobbyists to use, just cut and paste?
cursor on a $20/month plan (if you burn thru the free credits) or gemini-cli (free) are 2 great ways to try out this kinda stuff for a hobbyist. you can throw in v0 too, $5/month free credits. susana’s free tier can give you a db as well.
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
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Claude Code is just proving that coding agents can be successful. The interface isn’t magic, it just fits the model and integrates with a system in all the right ways. The Anthropic team for that product is very small comparatively (their most prolific contributor is Claude), and I think it’s more of a technology proof than a core competency - it’s a great API $ business lever, but there’s no reason for them to try a…
Digging in here more... why would you say it isn't in Anthropic's interest to win the "agentic coding UI" market? My mental model is that these foundation model companies will need to invest in and win in a significant number of the app layer markets in order to realize enough revenue to drive returns. And if coding / agentic coding is one of the top X use cases for tokens at the app layer, seems logical that they'd…
My intuition is that their fundamental business is executing on the models, and any other products are secondary and exist to drive revenue that they can use to compete against Google/OpenAI/Meta as well as to ensure - and demonstrate - that their models are performant in these new markets. Claude needs to be great at coding, but Anthropic doesn’t need to own Coding. Claude Code is growing their core business, just like a Claude Robotics or a Claude Scheduling might, but they cant focus on robotics or scheduling because that takes them away from the core business of models. A strategic relationship with Cursor might have been enough to accomplish this, but it wasn’t - maybe Cursor couldn’t execute fast enough, or didn’t align on priorities, or whatever. I’ve watched a bunch of interviews with the CC team and I very much get the impression that it was more “holy shit, this works great” than a product strategy.
You may be right about “they need to invest in and win” in order to have __enough__ revenue to outcompete the nation-state sized competition, but this stuff is moving way to fast for anyone know.
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#564Earlier quoted context omitted.
Those are exactly the kind of AI slop products I would expect to be vibe coded. You've created yet another wrapper around LLM APIs where the business model is charging a premium over existing services. Your revenue depends on the ignorance of customers to not realize they can get the same or better service for cheaper from companies that actually do the hard work. I bet SEO hacking is really important to you. It's ir…
Sure man, any product you don't like is just "another wrapper". I guess every website is just a wrapper over postgres or wordpress too. I run my own serverless GPU containers on runpod with a combination of comfy and my own fastapi servers using diffusers, not that it'd even matter if I just used some third party APIs. It originally even started as smth that was hacked together using 4x 4070ti supers in my basement t…
Hey, don't blame me for the fact that your sites are indistinguishable from hundreds of others that offer the same service. Everything I said is logical to assume, since all these sites look the same.
Good on you for learning how AI tools work, but there's no way for anyone to tell whether your backend is self-managed or not, and practically it doesn't really matter. I reckon your users would get better results from proprietary models that expose an API than self-hosted open source ones, but then your revenue would probably be lower.
> Also its easy to criticize from the sidelines but, do you have products that you made by yourself that are used by hundreds of thousands of people? I have 5 such sites, 2 of which I named above
That's a lazy defense considering anyone is free to criticize anyone else's work, especially if they're familiar with the industry. Just like food and film critics don't need to be chefs and movie producers.
But I'll give you credit for actually building and launching something that generates revenue. I admit that that is more than I have managed with my personal projects.
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#565Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everyone has a niche, Windsurf is the only large provider if you are a Jetbrains shop. There are some alternatives like continue.dev or Jetbrains own AI offering but no Cursor or Claude Code ( Sonnet 3.7/4) you can get through Jetbrains plugin or others, but Anthropic does not provide support same with cursor.
GitHub copilot now has agents in jetbrain (not sure about stable - my nightly does). Jetbrains Junie is supposedly the same thing but no Rider and that's my current project so didn't get into that yet. Windsurf was just disappointingly bad in intellij (like any other plugin I've tried so far)
The copilot agent stuff in IntelliJ works relatively well in my experience, they managed to implement a quite cursor-like “accept/reject” UI in a plugin, you know, forking IDEA. There are some areas like getting it to use git tools where cursor works more smoothly but you can coax Copilot into producing the same results. I’m just generally happier working in IntelliJ vs VSCode so I’ve tended to favour Copilot.
Never tried Windsurf in it’s recent form but we did evaluate it when it was still called Codeium and everyone liked Copilot better.
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#566@dang - The title’s wording suggest that OpenAI’s CEO is leaving, not Windsurf. A more accurate title might be: “Windsurf’s deal with OpenAI is off, and its CEO is going to Google”
Ok, thanks! (Submitted title was ""OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off — and its CEO is going to Google"")
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#567Nice to get a sanity check that confirms Windsurf was never really worth $3B to all those who thought that number was ridiculous.
Google is paying $2.4billion to them
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
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Not the OP but this is smth I've vibecoded using cursor: https://bestphoto.ai/ MRR ~$150. It basically started as a clone of my other site: https://aieasypic.com (MRR 2.5k, 5-8k/mo rev) since I was having trouble keeping code context in mind and claude was pretty bad at doing full features with the tech stack I used for that site(Django BE, NextJS FE) making adding new features a pain, so I completely switched to a s…
Those are exactly the kind of AI slop products I would expect to be vibe coded. You've created yet another wrapper around LLM APIs where the business model is charging a premium over existing services. Your revenue depends on the ignorance of customers to not realize they can get the same or better service for cheaper from companies that actually do the hard work. I bet SEO hacking is really important to you. It's ir…
> yet another wrapper around LLM APIs
Patio11 famously built, ran for a number of years (profitably) and then sold a "wrapper for a random number generator" (bingocardcreator.com)
Value is in the eye of the beholder, and only tangentially related to the technical complexity or ingenuity.
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#569There’s a lot of talk about Claude Code in here, and I agree it’s a great agentic coding tool. One of the benefits of Cursor & Windsurf is/was the ease for smaller companies to setup Team accounts and have control over spend. Claude Code I think misses this. You can get an enterprise account if you commit to over, what.. 70 seats annually? If you’re an individual you can get Max 5x/20x .. But for smaller companies, I…
A small company can just pay the $250 a month for X number of employees to each have CC max plan. Not that complicated
Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google
#570Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is around what what Cursor was costing me with Claude 4 Opus before I switched to Claude Code. Sonnet works fine for some things, but for some projects it spews unusable garbage, unless the specification is so detailed that it's almost the implementation already.
> unless the specification is so detailed that it's almost the implementation already. You mean… it’s almost exactly like working with interns and jr developers? ;)
Yeah, it's like an idiot savant intern who has memorized all the API docs in the world, but still somehow struggles to work independently.