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Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by defaultname » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:20 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #205

defaultname wrote: post #183

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"Far left"? I'm a conservative. Most normal conservatives are vigorously against these protests, for exactly the same reason that we were against railway blockades, and against violence and mayhem that occurred under the umbrella of BLM protests. I am simply in awe that so many of the same people that were viciously against BLM protests are supporters of this protest. Regardless, the literal stated goal of the organi…

> I am simply in awe that so many of the same people that were viciously against BLM protests are supporters of this protest Where do you think that hypocrisy comes from? I'm across the pond so very far from the action, but I'm very curious how people reason about this.

It arises when supporting a group is all that matters, and one's "values" morph and twist into whatever is optimal to support the tribe at any given moment. It yields a lot of meaningless words.

This happens all over the political spectrum. It happens in technology discussions. It happens in, as another post said, sports commentary.

Without values it's just loads of angry spittle.

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by Apocryphon » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:21 PM UTC

adamrezich wrote: post #605

Apocryphon wrote: post #513

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> At least foreign policy is something that is germane to those elections. > What do the midterm or general elections in the United States have to do with American citizens sympathizing with and donating money to causes in other countries? That is not an issue that is on the ballot. > This is a complete non sequitur.

why are you quoting yourself to explain how "[my] comment evoked the current Ukraine crisis"? I think we're talking past each other, you really want to connect things to Ukraine and I don't, so I apologize for taking your time.

No apologies necessary, thank you. My point is that you bringing up upcoming elections in the U.S. in the context of discussing the appropriateness of American citizens funding campaigns abroad is a total non sequitur, as it is not a campaign issue. Something such as the Ukraine crisis, in contrast, might actually be a campaign issue, in keeping with your '"if it has nothing to do with your country then keep out of it" rule' reference.

Re: Names of Canada truck convoy donors leaked after reported hack

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Post by kepler1 » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:21 PM UTC

tedivm wrote: post #4

I went through the leaks last night and they're wrong about the IP addresses. All of the IP addresses listed are internal to the service itself- they recorded the IP addresses of their own nodes (or possibly cloudflare edge nodes), and they're all from one of a few ranges or localhost. The email addresses, names, country and zip codes all seem legit though.

Where does one find the leaked list?

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Post by nicoffeine » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:22 PM UTC

jstream67 wrote: post #524

blast wrote: post #186

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This is a bit removed from your point about foreign support, but the flag thing appears to have been exaggerated for political purposes. The Confederate flag guy was shunned by the protestors and stood out like a sore thumb to begin with: https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1487834109678395392 . (I'm not endorsing that Twitter account - it's the only link I know of to the video, and the video is interesting.) It h…

planting a 'nazi/white nationalist' in protests and then having the media focus on it seems like such a obvious tactic now that it is making me question every time this kind of thing occurs. For example, remember the recent election in Virginia where there was a ton of media retweets of a picture of a handful of 'white supremacists' in front of the tour bus for the Republican candidate. The media made a huge deal abo…

How are the complicit media organized? Is there a secret WhatsApp thread going on between the hundreds of media organizations? Who runs the organization? How do they keep it a secret?

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Post by dghughes » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:24 PM UTC

ar_turnbull wrote: post #570

dade_ wrote: post #399

It appears this was the result of terrible security at GiveSendGo. I'd agree it could be state sponsored, but I am certain there are enough people with the skills to do this on their own downtown Ottawa (even if it turned out they work for the gov't). That said, I am thoroughly disappointed the Federal gov't and much of the media coverage. They have done nothing but make the situation worse. I think it is intentional…

> "there is no violence, and no obvious danger." This is false and I would expect better of HN posters. A group of the protestors locked the doors to a downtown apartment building with handcuffs and then attempted to set that building on fire. Although nobody has been injured yet, there have been plenty of weapons seizures as well as incidents of protestors ramming police vehicles and/or attempting to arrest police o…

Add to that ER doctors needing police escorts to hospitals. Hospital staff told not to wear scrubs or anything that identifies them as hospital staff.

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Post by sudosysgen » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:24 PM UTC

monkeybutton wrote: post #41

advisedwang wrote: post #8

I'd be very interest in the distribution of donations? E.g. are there big donors or is the money mostly from small donors.

The median is $50 and the 95th percentile is $200 so it's mostly small donations with a few (22) donations over 5K. Plus the one 215K whale.

I know a few people who made repeated donations, so you can't necessarily assume each donation is an individual.

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Post by Apocryphon » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:25 PM UTC

FredPret wrote: post #645

autoexec wrote: post #634

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The nice thing about Wikipedia is that claims are sourced. I had no idea who this guy was, but I looked over the statements critical of his credibility and at first glance many of them are sourced at heavily biased media outlets which isn't encouraging. I'm not digging into it enough to say those articles are wrong, but I'd say the clams that he isn't credibile on his wikipedia page aren't looking very convincing so…

Since even a sourced and cited claim can be utterly bogus, it is actually worse. Because it looks authoritative at a glance when there are many citations next to a claim. But some citations are nature.com, and some are People Magazine, and they all get the same superscript number.

Then if those claims are bogus, it becomes a matter of your sources vs. their sources, and it ends up all being a matter of faith and perhaps gut feeling.

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Post by throwaway894345 » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:26 PM UTC

sudosysgen wrote: post #700

throwaway894345 wrote: post #665

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> Do I need a citation that people honking to cause a distrubance intended to disturb? Wow, that's quite a comment and a remarkably transparent backpedaling from "intent to cause harm".

From the Merriam Webster, Disturbance, 2) : noisy or violent activity : commotion

Good grief. Yes, a disturbance can refer to noise or violence, but that doesn't imply that a noise is violence. This is the lowest quality argumentation I've seen on this site for a while.

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Post by vkou » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:26 PM UTC

mardifoufs wrote: post #384

vkou wrote: post #352

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The CBC is not 'the majority of media'. Some subset of Canadian media is required to publish some % of Canadian-produced content, but that does not make it funded by the government. I don't know where this misinformation comes from, but I have some suspicions.

What do you mean? You realize even private media receives massive subsidies in Canada? And that those subsidies are usually promised at election time meaning there is a clear incentive to not cross the party that promises the most money (vs let's say a party that promises to slash support for the media). Even provincial government are starting to provide massive amount of cash to "support our journalism"

Just about every man, woman, child, dog, or organization in the country receives government subsidies for one thing or another.

What percentage of their budget is 'massive', and what conditions do they have to meet to receive them? Is shilling for the whigs one of them? Who determines that they've shilled enough? Do you have a source? One that's not a tabloid op-ed?

I don't think your take on what 'media ran by the government' matches what media in countries where it is actually ran by the government looks like.

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Post by sudosysgen » Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 9:28 PM UTC

suckmore wrote: post #523

purephase wrote: post #455

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Unless there's some crazy school board out there, there's no way they have kids eating outside when it's -20. Most school boards won't even have outdoor recess on days like that. I have 11 nieces and nephews in 5 different school boards in Ontario, and not one of them has these restrictions. They eat indoors, they can take their masks off at lunch, and during gym class. Their teachers regularly post videos for studen…

I don't live in Ontario and don't have kids, so I don't have any personal experience. This section of Joël Lightbound speech stood out to me though. It is regarding the apparent quarantine measures in Quebec. I can't substantiate it, so maybe it is completely sensationalized. >In Quebec in January 22, we've locked up kids aged 6 to 10 years old for up to ten days in windowless rooms. Kids who tested negative, who had…

No, this isn't the normal procedure. Kids aged under 12 only have to quarantine for 5 days unless they test positive and have no symptoms, this is to happen at home, not at school, and only if it was a very close contact.

It may have been an emergency where parents for some reason refuse to stay home with their kids and no alternative had been set up yet; but it absolutely is not the protocol.