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Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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Post by cookiecaper »

Anderkent wrote: post #15
Jabbles wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re-merging does not work like that. All Syrian transactions will effectively be reversed. That's assuming that they managed to mine anything, with such a small fraction of the usual computing power available.

The difficulty level adjusts to the mining power. And only transactions that were double-spent will be reversed, since nodes will re-broadcast transactions from the short chain onto the long chain, and those that weren't double spent will be accepted.

Assuming that we can just reconnect the segments after a brief downtime, like we do now if a backhoe accidentally hits the line into your apartment complex or something. Such a situation is not necessarily so simply resolved in wartime, when opposing factions have a serious interest in depriving telecomms from one another.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

kmcd wrote: post #36

> There is civil war. There is NO civil war in Syria. There is a campaign of terrorism waged by NATO, specifically Turkey , Qatar, Isreal, UK, France to secure the transit for the South Pars/North Dome gas field. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/20128513344... What's at stake? About $200 billion annual output between Iran & Qatar. That's about $360,000 per SECOND. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pa…

Erm, that's an op-ed piece. Can someone explain why a proposed pipeline through Syria would be threatening enough to Turkey that it would rally many other states behind it in astroturfing the 2+ year conflict? The decades of oppression under the Assad family had nothing to do with it?

Also, seriously? Global Research is a source?

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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Post by mrb »

BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #64
mrb wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"if you've chosen to use an electronic cryptocurrency dependent on things like robust network and electrical infrastructure to function as your primary value store, you're going to have a bad time." Apparently you are unaware of the tools to build offline transactions. Or of the ability to store bitcoins in your head (brain wallet). Want to send bitcoins to someone without Internet? Just communicate to him/her the br…

Even with the printout in hand, how does the recipient actually make the coin "theirs"? Can't the sender thwart the transaction if they gain Internet access before the recipient is able to (by transferring the coin to a wallet that's ready to receive it right away)?

With the printout of the raw TX, the recipient would just broadcast it on the p2p network (sendrawtransaction), that's how he would give himself the coins.

As to your other questions, it make no sense. In what situation would person A, offline in a state of civil war, absolutely need to send money to person B, and then would need to steal the coins back??

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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Post by Jtsummers »

cookiecaper wrote: post #65
mrb wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"if you've chosen to use an electronic cryptocurrency dependent on things like robust network and electrical infrastructure to function as your primary value store, you're going to have a bad time." Apparently you are unaware of the tools to build offline transactions. Or of the ability to store bitcoins in your head (brain wallet). Want to send bitcoins to someone without Internet? Just communicate to him/her the br…

This doesn't deal with the other thing I mentioned, which is that the blockchains will fork without a global view of the network. This means you could spend btc gained before the fork in one segment and spend them again in another segment, and that if you got new btc in one segment, it would be invalid in all the other segments. Also, as another has pointed out, this is ridiculously implausible when compared with oth…

I was almost with you until the end. Gold/silver suffer a similar problem, unless you actually physically possess the metal then the certificates are of little value unless they are redeemable via some trusted 3rd party. In a shit hits the fan scenario, no such trust is likely to be present.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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Post by mrb »

angersock wrote: post #62
mrb wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"if you've chosen to use an electronic cryptocurrency dependent on things like robust network and electrical infrastructure to function as your primary value store, you're going to have a bad time." Apparently you are unaware of the tools to build offline transactions. Or of the ability to store bitcoins in your head (brain wallet). Want to send bitcoins to someone without Internet? Just communicate to him/her the br…

I'm going to go with, no. Having easily stockpiled and manipulated hard currency (fiat or no) makes waaay more sense to me than some combination of words or what have you in my brain wallet. I don't think there's been any real demonstration of the use of bitcoins for non-connected transactions--theory does not a practical application make. Better off trading bottle caps or ring tabs.

Yes there are people building real world offline transactions. See the whole API: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Raw_Transactions Typically they use this API for offline cold storage wallets.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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Post by Jtsummers »

mrb wrote: post #73
BHSPitMonkey wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even with the printout in hand, how does the recipient actually make the coin "theirs"? Can't the sender thwart the transaction if they gain Internet access before the recipient is able to (by transferring the coin to a wallet that's ready to receive it right away)?

With the printout of the raw TX, the recipient would just broadcast it on the p2p network (sendrawtransaction), that's how he would give himself the coins. As to your other questions, it make no sense. In what situation would person A, offline in a state of civil war, absolutely need to send money to person B, and then would need to steal the coins back??

Your description seems to assume that A is offline and B is online. What happens when two bitcoin users are both offline for a prolonged period and A gains access first and moves his BTC to another wallet before B can submit the transaction? What mechanism beyond individual trust permits this to be an effective means of monetary transaction? Would you trust someone writing you a check in a war zone with no access to a bank to not later put in a stop payment on that check?

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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Post by oakaz »

WalterSear wrote: post #61
oakaz wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why this comment is down-voted? He tells the truth. Please look at this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_al-Harati He is the commander of the terrorists in Syria. These people are crazy islamists and all they believe is that they'll save Syria by killing people. Please see the truth. The Al Jazeera analysis linked above is really good.

Because they said there was no civil war going on in Syria.

So what?!

My brother studies in Hatay, a city near Syria. This city used to be a safe, liberal city.

Until the fucking "civil war".

Now, it's filled by a kind of some radical islamists migrated from Syria because of the "civil war". Now women and children in Hatay are afraid of going out of their home because their streets are full of aggressive and criminal North Syrian extreme islamists.

Check those links. This war is definitely not for democracy.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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Post by mpyne »

kmcd wrote: post #36

> There is civil war. There is NO civil war in Syria. There is a campaign of terrorism waged by NATO, specifically Turkey , Qatar, Isreal, UK, France to secure the transit for the South Pars/North Dome gas field. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/20128513344... What's at stake? About $200 billion annual output between Iran & Qatar. That's about $360,000 per SECOND. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pa…

You do realize that NATO is a separate entity from the UK, Israel, France, etc. right?

Unless you can show actual NATO forces what you've said is the equivalent of saying that the UN is waging a terrorism campaign because some of its member states happened to allegedly be involved.

And while I agree the Al Jazeera link is thought-provoking, that's all I could see in there. Thought-exercises about who benefits from what in the whole series of conflicts. If anything the writer seemed to go along with the idea that the uprising commenced due to the Arab Spring and now it's a question of what actors external to Syria might do.

The only discussion I saw regarding NATO was whether or not NATO would have cause to go all-out after Assad... without any discussion of what "going all-out" might mean (since presumably it doesn't involve the military).

There's also no real discussion of how Israel would benefit from any of these pipeline schemes. For all the animosity Israel and Syria might have had for each other, the current situation has to be considered worse from their point of view than a stable Syrian nation where all the weapons were staying in secure Syrian bunkers.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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Post by oakaz »

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #72
kmcd wrote: post #36

> There is civil war. There is NO civil war in Syria. There is a campaign of terrorism waged by NATO, specifically Turkey , Qatar, Isreal, UK, France to secure the transit for the South Pars/North Dome gas field. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/20128513344... What's at stake? About $200 billion annual output between Iran & Qatar. That's about $360,000 per SECOND. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pa…

Erm, that's an op-ed piece. Can someone explain why a proposed pipeline through Syria would be threatening enough to Turkey that it would rally many other states behind it in astroturfing the 2+ year conflict? The decades of oppression under the Assad family had nothing to do with it? Also, seriously? Global Research is a source?

You need one more read of the article in El Jazeera. And see my other comments. I'm from Turkey, follow the this shit actively and my brother studies in Hatay, near the Syria border. There is plenty of crazy bullshit in this war. And you can easily make sure this fake "civil war" was established by a global organization to break the gas monopoly of Russia and Iran by some research in Wikipedia.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

oakaz wrote: post #77
WalterSear wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they said there was no civil war going on in Syria.

So what?! My brother studies in Hatay, a city near Syria. This city used to be a safe, liberal city. Until the fucking "civil war". Now, it's filled by a kind of some radical islamists migrated from Syria because of the "civil war". Now women and children in Hatay are afraid of going out of their home because their streets are full of aggressive and criminal North Syrian extreme islamists. Check those links. This war…

The links don't help though. The main one is an Op-Ed piece. The other is from GlobalResearch which is borderline conspiracy drivel.
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