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Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#41

Post by gknoy »

greghinch wrote: post #16
3am wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gold and guns would both be much better decisions that Bitcoin in a raging civil war. So would food, and transport to safe haven. Bitcoin would be insane. Even if you had extra money, that's what Swiss bank accounts are for. edit: to be clear, the utilities of these items is relative, think a DAG. gold > bitcoin. food > gold. transport to safe haven > food,guns. Maybe. Medicine > gold, also. Not trying to say anythin…

I don't get this obsession with gold. Yes it's shiny and has historically represented value and wealth, but people apply it as the unit of currency society will fall back on in times of crisis, like a civil war. If there's fighting and chaos all around and infrastructure is cut off, clean water, food, medicine, and weapons are pretty much all that will hold any value.

I recall reading a series of blog posts written by someone who survived a south american economic collapse. (I forget what the URL was.) His perspective was that there is a VERY thin veneer on civilization, after which weapons, a fortified home, large cars, and absolute paranoia seem to be the best bet. Some highlights:

- small gold rings are good currency: you can easily divide it, and you can carry small amounts on your person. For some reason, people valued that more than paper money. - a black market for guns (and ammo) will spring up; cheap POS guns will have ludicrous prices, so if you plan to have one, it's wise to have them before The Collapse - Don't open your door for anyone. - Be armed. Seriously. - Be prepared to seriously consider whether to drive _through_ a pedestrian, rather than risk that his friends will kidnap you as soon as you stop. - Neighborhood friendships are extremely valuable.

.. that's all I can remember off the top of my head. I'm sure someone else can link the originals. Basically, though, it's comparatively easy to stockpile small pieces of gold jewelry ahead of time, and people will tend to accept it in trade. (Water/food/bullets/guns are of course even more valuable, but those aren't as transportable.)

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#42

Post by baddox »

gaussianblur wrote: post #33
venomsnake wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go on :) Lets see how long it will take, and how many times you will be able to reproduce it without error. qWoXWwQQQyVF69SkJfGgG/x9ehR8NQmXwDvLxMbh2iALkGe0nd+NiFgvtXseoHn0 mEfjKXDbMMY7wyU8Xv1yNQGYw/V+pnfG/qiw8dirIF5jQOQprS/5YWt2Ts803pzu Y8V+FhMHoKtKozHKemH6THRQ0QbasdlO21+uwk7HGtKZh60NSEre+90I9GNEE8lO Vjq1r5YwdHpe7VZAyAYdJOJCS2wKKh7yJowOBLReyF7nR+hKw4ZAXibmg0/WM6tF tcccKbNPZZDYt9han1SsiCFew/6dUNoa5Qt+Q9wiDrZ9YLqRduUL…

Tattoo perhaps? Laser-printing onto contact lens? Any other ideas?

Subcutaneous RFID would be much less obtrusive and more feasible, assuming you could find a reader. And however you store it on your body, you should also encrypt it with a passphrase that you can memorize.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#43

Post by venomsnake »

bitcoinMini wrote: post #31
venomsnake wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go on :) Lets see how long it will take, and how many times you will be able to reproduce it without error. qWoXWwQQQyVF69SkJfGgG/x9ehR8NQmXwDvLxMbh2iALkGe0nd+NiFgvtXseoHn0 mEfjKXDbMMY7wyU8Xv1yNQGYw/V+pnfG/qiw8dirIF5jQOQprS/5YWt2Ts803pzu Y8V+FhMHoKtKozHKemH6THRQ0QbasdlO21+uwk7HGtKZh60NSEre+90I9GNEE8lO Vjq1r5YwdHpe7VZAyAYdJOJCS2wKKh7yJowOBLReyF7nR+hKw4ZAXibmg0/WM6tF tcccKbNPZZDYt9han1SsiCFew/6dUNoa5Qt+Q9wiDrZ9YLqRduUL…

how about S6c56bnXQiBjk9mqSYE7ykVQ7NzrRy https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mini_private_key_format

How secure is this stuff?

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#44

Post by RKearney »

Thrymr wrote: post #5

I hope no one here thought .sy was a cool suffix for a domain name.

I don't think this incident would effect domain name resolution for .sy domains.

The nameservers for .sy domains are:

  sy.			172800	IN	NS	sy.cctld.authdns.ripe.net.
  sy.			172800	IN	NS	ns1.tld.sy.
  sy.			172800	IN	NS	ns2.tld.sy.
  sy.			172800	IN	NS	pch.anycast.tld.sy.
sy.cctld.authdns.ripe.net is still accessible so domains will still resolve.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#45

Post by oakaz »

kmcd wrote: post #36

> There is civil war. There is NO civil war in Syria. There is a campaign of terrorism waged by NATO, specifically Turkey , Qatar, Isreal, UK, France to secure the transit for the South Pars/North Dome gas field. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/08/20128513344... What's at stake? About $200 billion annual output between Iran & Qatar. That's about $360,000 per SECOND. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pa…

Why this comment is down-voted? He tells the truth.

Please look at this guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi_al-Harati

He is the commander of the terrorists in Syria. These people are crazy islamists and all they believe is that they'll save Syria by killing people.

Please see the truth. The Al Jazeera analysis linked above is really good.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#46

Post by jlarocco »

greghinch wrote: post #16
3am wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gold and guns would both be much better decisions that Bitcoin in a raging civil war. So would food, and transport to safe haven. Bitcoin would be insane. Even if you had extra money, that's what Swiss bank accounts are for. edit: to be clear, the utilities of these items is relative, think a DAG. gold > bitcoin. food > gold. transport to safe haven > food,guns. Maybe. Medicine > gold, also. Not trying to say anythin…

I don't get this obsession with gold. Yes it's shiny and has historically represented value and wealth, but people apply it as the unit of currency society will fall back on in times of crisis, like a civil war. If there's fighting and chaos all around and infrastructure is cut off, clean water, food, medicine, and weapons are pretty much all that will hold any value.

Gold is a value store. It's valuable because it can be traded for other stuff. It's the same as money - a stack of $100 bills is useless except to buy other stuff.

The things you listed are valuable because they have direct utilitarian value for drinking, eating, defense, etc. Gold is valuable because it can be traded for things with utilitarian value.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#47

Post by gwright »

greghinch wrote: post #16
3am wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gold and guns would both be much better decisions that Bitcoin in a raging civil war. So would food, and transport to safe haven. Bitcoin would be insane. Even if you had extra money, that's what Swiss bank accounts are for. edit: to be clear, the utilities of these items is relative, think a DAG. gold > bitcoin. food > gold. transport to safe haven > food,guns. Maybe. Medicine > gold, also. Not trying to say anythin…

I don't get this obsession with gold. Yes it's shiny and has historically represented value and wealth, but people apply it as the unit of currency society will fall back on in times of crisis, like a civil war. If there's fighting and chaos all around and infrastructure is cut off, clean water, food, medicine, and weapons are pretty much all that will hold any value.

Here is one explanation, but perhaps not the one you were looking for: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/02/15/131430755/a-chemis...

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#48

Post by jlgreco »

baddox wrote: post #42
gaussianblur wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tattoo perhaps? Laser-printing onto contact lens? Any other ideas?

Subcutaneous RFID would be much less obtrusive and more feasible, assuming you could find a reader. And however you store it on your body, you should also encrypt it with a passphrase that you can memorize.

Maybe subcutaneous micro-sd card, with some sort of medical-grade coating? It would be a serious bitch to get out (any doctor or veterinarian could probably help you there) but once you did you wouldn't have any trouble reading it.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#49

Post by ctdonath »

BCM43 wrote: post #7
cookiecaper wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And this is what bitcoiners and similar don't understand. It's not like your internet connection will remain happy and stable while the rest of the world goes to hell around us. Telecomms will be a first-class target, and most systems have some pretty central points of failure that would make juicy (and easy) targets. In such a situation, if you've chosen to use an electronic cryptocurrency dependent on things like r…

What would you suggest people put their money in then? Gold? Guns? The problems you describe are problems for just about every currency right now. How much of your money do you have in cash, and how much is in the bank? Do you think you will still be able to use the bank in a situation like the one you describe?

Gold is a good high value density financial medium. Regardless of the objective value, it always has been and always will be in demand. It's best for carrying value from one side of an economic crisis to the other, and taking advantage of some good deals that crop up in the meantime. If anything the high value density makes it hard for anything but large transactions.

Guns? Well, ammo really. Guns are plentiful in the USA and are extremely durable. Ammo is more suitable to currency type usage, being handy during the crisis, comes in small units comparable to coins, and the value of each is around a dollar making it convenient for smaller commonplace transactions.

Re: Traffic From Syria Disappears From Internet

#50

Post by bitcoinMini »

bitcoinMini wrote: post #31
venomsnake wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go on :) Lets see how long it will take, and how many times you will be able to reproduce it without error. qWoXWwQQQyVF69SkJfGgG/x9ehR8NQmXwDvLxMbh2iALkGe0nd+NiFgvtXseoHn0 mEfjKXDbMMY7wyU8Xv1yNQGYw/V+pnfG/qiw8dirIF5jQOQprS/5YWt2Ts803pzu Y8V+FhMHoKtKozHKemH6THRQ0QbasdlO21+uwk7HGtKZh60NSEre+90I9GNEE8lO Vjq1r5YwdHpe7VZAyAYdJOJCS2wKKh7yJowOBLReyF7nR+hKw4ZAXibmg0/WM6tF tcccKbNPZZDYt9han1SsiCFew/6dUNoa5Qt+Q9wiDrZ9YLqRduUL…

how about S6c56bnXQiBjk9mqSYE7ykVQ7NzrRy https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mini_private_key_format

i can't reply directly to your post, but if you were to try guessing, well, there are ~ 52^30 possibilities. this is a big number :) our sun will be long dead before you can derive the private key
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