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Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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Post by KronisLV »

drchiu wrote: post #61
ricardobeat wrote: post #49

It’s getting tiring to hear at this point, but the Claude voice comes through clearly in this post, and it’s a little off-putting. If even an important product release doesn’t warrant full human attention, where will we draw the line?

Just read the post and it didn’t sound AI to me. Would be kind of funny if someone from the team came out and said it was written by a human.

> Just read the post and it didn’t sound AI to me.

Those short and punchy two-part sentence groups very much feel like the writing that Claude does, like: The writing feels familiar. Suspicion earns its keep. Ultimately, the judgement remains yours. Not conjecture, your thoughts.

Then again, I bet how much aversion people feel to that sort of thing depends on how much they’ve been exposed to that, especially in frustrating circumstances. Personally, that’s a lot (daily Claude Code) and sometimes that writing makes me really upset.

Or maybe people genuinely just write like that and overuse that style and Claude has ruined it for me, whereas otherwise I wouldn’t have given it a second look.

Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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Post by gjvc »

Griffinsauce wrote: post #66
notpushkin wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My main gripe with Shadcn and, well, most UI libraries nowadays, is that they are reinventing the wheel for like a thousandth time. I’m trying out Ark UI on a side project. They do have some genuinely useful components, like tags input: https://ark-ui.com/docs/components/tags-input They have a tabs/“segment group” component with a nice animated active element indicator which would probably be tricky to implement: htt…

I think this is really an indictment of the platform. Much more stuff should be covered by the browser.

this is actually true; the web was done so terribly to begin with on day one, that we have been paying the price of compatibility thereto ever since.

Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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Post by vcf »

IshKebab wrote: post #58
deanc wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question, why does it matter to you? Maybe they wrote a draft and reviewed Claude's writing before publishing. Why are we trying to "call out" when AI is assisting us in our work? This is an open source project, not a F500 company. They have limited resources, maybe English isn't their first language.

I think fundamentally it's just really annoying to read the same cringey LinkedIn style voice everywhere. If you manage to write an AI assisted article that doesn't tediously follow the "what this means for you", "it's not this, it's that", "One thing. Two things. Three things." formula... I really doubt people would complain.

I agree that the style is somewhat generic, but for things like new release announcements, I find that the common structure allows me to skim through much faster. I value that and am happy with that tradeoff.

Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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Post by zopa »

deanc wrote: post #51
ricardobeat wrote: post #49

It’s getting tiring to hear at this point, but the Claude voice comes through clearly in this post, and it’s a little off-putting. If even an important product release doesn’t warrant full human attention, where will we draw the line?

Serious question, why does it matter to you? Maybe they wrote a draft and reviewed Claude's writing before publishing. Why are we trying to "call out" when AI is assisting us in our work? This is an open source project, not a F500 company. They have limited resources, maybe English isn't their first language.

I'm not a shadcn user, and so as with any project I'm not familiar with, I'm looking to see if if it's interesting to me. If the post is thoughtful and clear and I like the sense I get of their perspective on programming, then great, tell me more. No guarantees but maybe the writer is someone whose software I'd like to use. Claude doesn't tell me anything except that the writer used Claude.

It's the same as with too marketing-speak, which conceivably this is. Maybe the actual work is good but Sturgeon's law, it's probably crud. If I really needed a UI library or whatever right now then maybe I'd dig deeper but in casual browsing HN mode? No time, catch them later.

So maybe all your maybes but who cares? It's not AI that made me think badly of them: I think badly of all software by default and it takes more than Claude to change my mind.

Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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Post by stevepotter »

Exoristos wrote: post #12
chvid wrote: post #8

For boring applications - do people prefer the copy paste approach of shadcn instead of a traditional ui library like mantine? The copy paste approach may be easily modifiable but creates new problems - ie now there is an upgrade ai agent for something that should just be ticking up a version number.

Mantine is brilliant, I can build anything in it quickly and then extend it or completely customize the theme or individual components, but there is a learning curve. I would not call it a giant learning curve.

Love love love mantine.

Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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Post by stevepotter »

chvid wrote: post #8

For boring applications - do people prefer the copy paste approach of shadcn instead of a traditional ui library like mantine? The copy paste approach may be easily modifiable but creates new problems - ie now there is an upgrade ai agent for something that should just be ticking up a version number.

I never understood the copy paste thing. Shadcn just reeks of a fad, and even after doing copy paste and trying it, I didn’t see what the big deal was. But enjoy it, y’all. One of the benefits of AI is that HN isn’t clogged with talk of JavaScript frameworks as much

Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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Post by threetonesun »

dsego wrote: post #42
notpushkin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m leaning towards vendoring for all my new projects. Grabbing an off-the-shelf UI library is easy in the short term, but it’s usually overcomplicated, implements things I won’t ever need, is hard to tweak if/when you want to distinguish your app from the thousand others using the same library, and when you do decide to upgrade it, all your tweaks break in subtle ways. What I think would be the best approach is buil…

> building your own UI library It's one more thing to maintain, and it's also difficult to push back on things. If you use off the shelf components it's much easier to say to designers and managers that a UX pattern is not available or not valid. You can point to the mature well known community owned UI library you use and make it authoritative. It's harder to do it if you build your own, suddenly each designer and d…

Odd to me when I read stuff like this but also posts about how AI is making everything trivial. Surely a thing that almost every company did in the early 2000s should not be hard today, but of course today you can’t just write HTML + CSS, you must consider every front end framework introduced in the last decade.

Re: Shadcn/UI now defaults to Base UI instead of Radix

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Post by petilon »

ricardobeat wrote: post #49

It’s getting tiring to hear at this point, but the Claude voice comes through clearly in this post, and it’s a little off-putting. If even an important product release doesn’t warrant full human attention, where will we draw the line?

Isn't that a bit like working in the movie industry and no longer being able to enjoy films because you are always thinking about how they were made and noticing their flaws?
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