What's very interesting to me is these moves will introduce a good amount of doubt in future claims by Claude etc, that the open source and non-US models are only getting better because they're distilling from frontier labs.
Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says
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Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says
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Anthropic stole the entire internet. Excuse my language, but they can fuck right off.
The issue here is not whether Anthropic used Common Crawl, Alibaba also does that. The issue is that by distilling Claude, Alibaba reuses the IP anthropic used to train the model that's more akin to historical Chinese reverse engineering methods and disrespect of IP
'Issue' for who?
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It seemed pretty mild compared to what's collected by modern websites and apps, though? How many don't know your Timezone?
> How many don't know your Timezone? The timezone fetch was to alter program behaviour at runtime, not to send arbitrary timezones for tracking reasons. It was one way of detecting if it was a chinese person using the program and then behaving differently. Malware behaves this way. STUXNET for example was wired to do nothing except propagate unless the environment had the right conditions.
The article on HN only said that they seemed to be collecting this to detect resellers. How else did the behavior change?
Most services I know that are trying to block abuse do collect device info
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Remember how Kim Dotcom got destroyed for criminal copyright infringement? One would think the big tech CEOs would face the same fate, that police officers would rappel down helicopters, storm their mansions and bring them out in cuffs.
Instead the AI companies reached these absurd settlements with publishers that made a mockery out of all the previous copyright enforcement victims.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How many don't know your Timezone? The timezone fetch was to alter program behaviour at runtime, not to send arbitrary timezones for tracking reasons. It was one way of detecting if it was a chinese person using the program and then behaving differently. Malware behaves this way. STUXNET for example was wired to do nothing except propagate unless the environment had the right conditions.
The article on HN only said that they seemed to be collecting this to detect resellers. How else did the behavior change? Most services I know that are trying to block abuse do collect device info
regardless of anything else, whether what you said is true or not: blocking program execution based on the detected environment is a runtime behaviour change.
Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says
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Anthropic stole the entire internet. Excuse my language, but they can fuck right off.
The issue here is not whether Anthropic used Common Crawl, Alibaba also does that. The issue is that by distilling Claude, Alibaba reuses the IP anthropic used to train the model that's more akin to historical Chinese reverse engineering methods and disrespect of IP
Alibaba paid for that data though, right? They didn't hack Anthropic, they bought accounts and ran them normally.
Also, you can't copyright AI outputs. So worst case they violated the ToS.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article on HN only said that they seemed to be collecting this to detect resellers. How else did the behavior change? Most services I know that are trying to block abuse do collect device info
regardless of anything else, whether what you said is true or not: blocking program execution based on the detected environment is a runtime behaviour change.
Agreed. And it also applies to the "I'm not a bot" checkbox on most websites. And hundreds of other things people use every day.
Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says
#79All remote AI are a massive security risk for individuals/companies/governments that may be targeted by the US government. It is likely that the US will get a live feed from each AI provider that they are inspecting in real time to identity things of interest, terrorist attacks or foreign government planning or even foreign companies competitive to key US companies. It will give them access to the though process in t…
Leakage of IP and training on your data is something what I am pointing out too, but people will turn around and try to smooth me down that TOS does not allow that if you are an enterprise client. Are you really going to believe that AI companies won't ignore TOS, when they were ignoring literal laws which sent others to jail in the past? Especially when more data = better model?
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The corollary is that there are no morals once the stakes are in the $ billions, let alone hundreds of billions. This isn't even about a single person or personality. Very few people in such position could stand fast by their moral code. In any case, an environment that favors profit above everything will naturally select for individuals who are unencumbered by such hindrances. There might've been 100s of Altmans and…
Copyright law is an artificial legal construct, not a moral code. I think appropriate attribution is a moral code, but I am not able to attribute every idea I have to all those who helped me develop the general intelligence that I use to develop such ideas.
I think this behaviour has shown that there are no morals involved. Pirate if you want to, just don't get caught if you don't have a giant backing.