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Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit, as opposed to being modded. In the later case, you can set up your own subreddit, surely?

>You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit, as opposed to being modded.

Not really. You can be banned for stating that transgender people are not the gender they identify as. They consider it “promoting hate based on identity.”

Might you get banned on bluesky for saying that?

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit, as opposed to being modded. In the later case, you can set up your own subreddit, surely?

Not really. Few years ago, I replied to a comment asking if a crime in a news story was punishable by death. I replied that yes, the law allowed the death penalty and linked the law in the state where the crime happened. (I also added a parenthetical that I oppose the death penalty.) I got a two week ban for inciting violence. I imagine some automod type of tool flagged my comment, no human could have been stupid eno…

Yeah sometimes they ban for suggesting someone deserves the death penalty.

Meanwhile Luigi Mangione threads…

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit, as opposed to being modded. In the later case, you can set up your own subreddit, surely?

> You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit I was banned from Reddit for saying that a (well recognised as terrorists) terrorist group should be destroyed. That is a fairly mainstream opinion. Other people are banned from Reddit for disagreeing with trans ideology to the same extent as today's supreme court decision. The court decision isn't particularly surprising and neither is people saying…

Hamas? Hezbollah?

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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"Censored" I mean "flagged", sure. In practice, they're all hidden from the casual user. But really, I'm interested on why ATProto was touted as revolutionary while in practice it powers a standalone heavily politically biased social network where moderators are extremely active flagging everything that's on the right. In that respect, Mastodon is more "revolutionary" - you handle your instance, you provide your mode…

@phillipcarter: of course it's users (and mods) doing that, but in the end , if you open bsky today you see a single, huge, left-biased social media. If you look at Mastodon, you see at a lot left-leaning trans-and-furry-friendly instances, true, but you also see a bunch of right wing instances plus Gab. What happens with bsky today (single instance, echo chambered) is simply something I don't expect from a "distribu…

Isn't the answer kind of obvious - much more weight of the developers in comparison to the random people from open source community. Also timing: Mastodon and ActivityPub appeared in the tail end/transitional period when there was still some common public square mindset (at least among random people not radicalized in any way), and tech inclined people had protocols vs. centrally managed platforms in relatively fresh memory. So in the mid-2010s you'd get all sorts of people flocking to the promise of free internet.

When Bluesky was taking traction, the cultural expectation among its audience was already for the platform to heavily shape the narrative. Paradoxically, AFAIK the Bluesky devs themselves are pretty serious about it being an open standard, though I'm basing this on what I heard. So I mostly believe people that the echo chambering you mention is structured in a way that it's technically not centralized. Though in practice, it's way easier to amplify left wing messages on closed websites like YouTube, Facebook, X (I'm basing this on algorithmic recommendations I'm getting and experience of people I know) than the other way around on Bluesky. But this is just the weight distribution of the audience.

Even then non-left supervised Mastodon ecosystem is something of a deep cut. I mean you're right it exists and now I recall hearing about some drama years ago, but not a part of the front and center info about them, for any common person. So I'm not fully buying the contrast you're trying to build here.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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I got banned from my local subreddit for saying “as an Asian we actually tend to like cars from this brand” in a politically charged post about a certain car brand. Didn’t seem very spicy to me. “If you support this brand you’re supporting Nazis” was allowed and upvoted, of course. On the bright side that was the impetus for me to finally stop giving my valuable attention to that site.

You almost certainly are lying and were not banned for saying that.

He said from a subreddit, not the whole site. There is a much lower and more variable threshold for banning from subreddits. Its very believable. People get banned from subreddits for being subscribed to different subreddits. Hence the “echo chamber.”

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit, as opposed to being modded. In the later case, you can set up your own subreddit, surely?

I don't mean banned from the site Reddit, I mean banned from subreddits. Go into /r/politics and post an opinion that not far left.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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They made a transphobic joke 3 times and the bluesky users that enabled their intolerance filter never saw it. What exactly is the problem? The posts weren't deleted. Nobody liked the joke because it's a bad joke.

I don't use bluesky, but out of interest is this "intolerance" filter effectively a political filter, or an actual "intolerance" filter? Like if someone is talking about "white fragility" and being intolerant towards white people, or being xenophobic about American culture, would that be likely to result in them being flagged for intolerance also? Asking because while I don't mind the concept, I find in practice most…

It's dreadfuly simple - Bluesky users can choose what content they want to see - including selecting feeds, algorithms, moderation services etc. This situation is intolerable to people who believe that their right-wing views must be forcefully shoved down users' feeds, because not liking and not wanting to see their shitty content is considered an attack on freedom of speech.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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You won’t have decentralisation on Atproto because the protocol itself incentivises centralisation.

the only true centralized part is the did:plc registry and thats designed to be fully auditable. all canonical data is stored on your pds so if you self host that you get full control. decentralization is not about the number of app instances but how easy it is to switch from one to another. on that metric bluesky is already better than fediverse.

That’s a very narrow definition of decentralisation. In any case - both atproto and fediverse are massively centralised compared to something like Nostr, and it’s not even close.

The fact that the PDS in practice owns your identity in the vast vast majority of cases is such a dumb trade off that it’s honestly laughable. Should Bluesky decide to splinter off of the network there would be like 50000 people left.

Stop telling people that it’s decentralised in any meaningful way and be honest about it instead. That’s the issue. The dishonesty and tricking users.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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I'm left wondering if maybe all the years I spend tinkering with Linux servers and self-hosted infrastructure are just about to pay off big time now that there is a massive move for governments and institutions to take control of their infrastructure... You still pretty much need a human to spin and maintain infrastructure, wire things securely, and monitor... Now I just need to wait until someone rebrands sysop into…

Joking aside, there is a lot of contract work to help EU quasi-governative entities to move off US clouds. I have been on contract for the last 18 months to recreate some functionality of AWS on top of OVH for a client adjacent to the European Space Agency. The catch is that being government contract you, the guy doing the actual work, are beneath three or four layers of companies and bureaucracy and you get over eng…

> That said, the job and economy situation is a big question mark and appetite to invest has lessened dramatically so YMMV

Could you elaborate perhaps a bit more on this on actually why the appetite for investment has lessened? I'd be curious to know more, thanks!

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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the only true centralized part is the did:plc registry and thats designed to be fully auditable. all canonical data is stored on your pds so if you self host that you get full control. decentralization is not about the number of app instances but how easy it is to switch from one to another. on that metric bluesky is already better than fediverse.

That’s a very narrow definition of decentralisation. In any case - both atproto and fediverse are massively centralised compared to something like Nostr, and it’s not even close. The fact that the PDS in practice owns your identity in the vast vast majority of cases is such a dumb trade off that it’s honestly laughable. Should Bluesky decide to splinter off of the network there would be like 50000 people left. Stop t…

There are two kinds of people.

1. People who have no idea what decentralized is.

2. People who would try to figure exactly how decentralized something is.

If you are the latter, you would instantly question the data model of Bluesky and of Mastodon as well. If you are the former then that just sounds like a buzzword.

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