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Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by curtisblaine »

cptroot wrote: post #33
curtisblaine wrote: post #30

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You might want to answer two questions before we start this discussion: 1. "Censored" by whom, and for whom? 2. "Censored" for which "right of center" views? P.S. I should also mention that I can see the posts on that account, even if they all have flags for intolerance by the default moderation service (a service you can opt out of by the way).

"Censored" I mean "flagged", sure. In practice, they're all hidden from the casual user. But really, I'm interested on why ATProto was touted as revolutionary while in practice it powers a standalone heavily politically biased social network where moderators are extremely active flagging everything that's on the right. In that respect, Mastodon is more "revolutionary" - you handle your instance, you provide your moderation, you optionally integrate with other instances. Mastodon itself is used, in practice, to moderate a highly diverse ecosystem of social networks, from the gay-friendly ones to Gab. Nostr, although it's not so widely used, is even more tailored against sectarism by default.

From what I see, Bsky is a single instance of one of the most politically aligned social media in existence; in practice, you can achieve that with any proprietary implementation, you don't need ATProto. I honestly thought that the protocol was engineered to prevent an echo chamber, but in reality it powers an enormous standalone echo chamber that is not moving anywhere, so I was wondering what's the difference.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by jacobgold »

jorams wrote: post #38
jacobgold wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BBN was a private company...

A private company doing DARPA-funded research.

Initially, yes, and then they became an important commercial internet service and backbone provider. They were quickly joined by a huge wave of other private companies, almost all VC-backed.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by qwerpy »

Angostura wrote: post #16
impulser_ wrote: post #14

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You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit, as opposed to being modded. In the later case, you can set up your own subreddit, surely?

I got banned from my local subreddit for saying “as an Asian we actually tend to like cars from this brand” in a politically charged post about a certain car brand. Didn’t seem very spicy to me. “If you support this brand you’re supporting Nazis” was allowed and upvoted, of course.

On the bright side that was the impetus for me to finally stop giving my valuable attention to that site.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by aravpanwar »

busterarm wrote: post #27
Angostura wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit, as opposed to being modded. In the later case, you can set up your own subreddit, surely?

You're proposing a fiction that there is functionally any difference. Migrating a subreddit is a large community effort and rarely if ever happens over just one ban. If you're banned from a subreddit for X, which famously happens for often the thinnest of reasonings, you're effectively out of the online community around X. For some subreddits this even has real-world implications. You don't have to be the least bit s…

Happened to me, the mod did not like the fact that I had engaged with a sub that he does not politically agree on, It was a university centric sub that I got banned from. Could never take that site seriously, ever.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by sph »

pelagicAustral wrote: post #2

I'm left wondering if maybe all the years I spend tinkering with Linux servers and self-hosted infrastructure are just about to pay off big time now that there is a massive move for governments and institutions to take control of their infrastructure... You still pretty much need a human to spin and maintain infrastructure, wire things securely, and monitor... Now I just need to wait until someone rebrands sysop into…

Joking aside, there is a lot of contract work to help EU quasi-governative entities to move off US clouds. I have been on contract for the last 18 months to recreate some functionality of AWS on top of OVH for a client adjacent to the European Space Agency.

The catch is that being government contract you, the guy doing the actual work, are beneath three or four layers of companies and bureaucracy and you get over engineered yet somehow too vague specs and projects that take 6 months just to get approved. But hey, the pay is good, and it’s for one of the better causes.

My other EU client, a much smaller non-tech company for whom I host their servers, has recently wanted to know if we depend on any US services, to reduce their exposure.

I believe you can get decent work just by advertising yourself as an expert in migrating code and data out of the US.

That said, the job and economy situation is a big question mark and appetite to invest has lessened dramatically so YMMV

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by phillipcarter »

curtisblaine wrote: post #41
cptroot wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to answer two questions before we start this discussion: 1. "Censored" by whom, and for whom? 2. "Censored" for which "right of center" views? P.S. I should also mention that I can see the posts on that account, even if they all have flags for intolerance by the default moderation service (a service you can opt out of by the way).

"Censored" I mean "flagged", sure. In practice, they're all hidden from the casual user. But really, I'm interested on why ATProto was touted as revolutionary while in practice it powers a standalone heavily politically biased social network where moderators are extremely active flagging everything that's on the right. In that respect, Mastodon is more "revolutionary" - you handle your instance, you provide your mode…

What you are describing is, bluntly, not happening.

Bluesky moderators take down abusive and harmful posts. There is a daily uproar on the left about how they do this to "kiwifarms but leftishly" behavior under the guise of being "anti-trans". If right-wing centered posts are getting taken down, it is because they are abusive and harmful.

Bluesky popularized subscriber lists, like blocklists. A large portion of the network mass-mutes or mass-blocks anyone on the big right-wing block lists. This is user behavior, not the platform censoring right wing people.

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by curtisblaine »

burtness wrote: post #40
curtisblaine wrote: post #30

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Right-wingers are so reliably sore winners. X is still comfortably the dominant microblogging platform on the internet, Facebook and Youtube happily boost and feed right-wing content and concerns. Tiktok has been brought to heel. ATproto hasn't found a way to encode communism - just like activitypub could be used for Truth Social - the ATmosphere will turn right once the ecosystem is in anyway relevant politically or…

My question was in good faith tbh; I see other protocols (Mastodon, nostr) not being really commercially relevant but being much more politically diverse than bsky. I was wondering why is that - is something inherent to the protocol (e.g. I heard that it's extremely hard to set up your "alternative bsky" if you don't have resources, unlike Mastodon instances, so you're not really incentivized to just do it and see how it goes) or is it just bad luck?

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by forgotaccount3 »

curtisblaine wrote: post #41
cptroot wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to answer two questions before we start this discussion: 1. "Censored" by whom, and for whom? 2. "Censored" for which "right of center" views? P.S. I should also mention that I can see the posts on that account, even if they all have flags for intolerance by the default moderation service (a service you can opt out of by the way).

"Censored" I mean "flagged", sure. In practice, they're all hidden from the casual user. But really, I'm interested on why ATProto was touted as revolutionary while in practice it powers a standalone heavily politically biased social network where moderators are extremely active flagging everything that's on the right. In that respect, Mastodon is more "revolutionary" - you handle your instance, you provide your mode…

I'm not fully aware of the tech here, are those posts flagged as 'Intolerant' by bsky or by the protocol itself?

Re: We moved our Bluesky data to Eurosky

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Post by phillipcarter »

qwerpy wrote: post #44
Angostura wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to be pretty spicy if you are getting banned from Reddit, as opposed to being modded. In the later case, you can set up your own subreddit, surely?

I got banned from my local subreddit for saying “as an Asian we actually tend to like cars from this brand” in a politically charged post about a certain car brand. Didn’t seem very spicy to me. “If you support this brand you’re supporting Nazis” was allowed and upvoted, of course. On the bright side that was the impetus for me to finally stop giving my valuable attention to that site.

You almost certainly are lying and were not banned for saying that.
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