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IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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Post by belorn »

randomfool wrote: post #68
belorn wrote: post #37

The keyword is lockdown. I am all for giving hate to flash. It is commonly found vulnerable. It produce slow websites which eats memory and cpu. It has poor history in non-windows systems. But in all, I have serious doubt this call was made for any reason beyond pushing users to their app-store. games? online experience? chat? By forbidding flash, companies are bit more forced to turn to apps with their products. Sur…

I much prefer Chrome's approach to locking down Flash- put it in a (much more) secure sandbox. http://chrome.blogspot.com/2012/08/an-even-more-secure-flash... Microsoft could have taken the approach of running Flash in it's own Win8 app container, but apparently wanted to put as little effort into it as possible.

Chrome efforts are without doubts to tackle the security concerns of flash, and in that I wish them all the best.

Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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Post by Aissen »

brudgers wrote: post #50
belorn wrote: post #37

The keyword is lockdown. I am all for giving hate to flash. It is commonly found vulnerable. It produce slow websites which eats memory and cpu. It has poor history in non-windows systems. But in all, I have serious doubt this call was made for any reason beyond pushing users to their app-store. games? online experience? chat? By forbidding flash, companies are bit more forced to turn to apps with their products. Sur…

"Lockdown" is not the correct term. 1. Flash isn't prohibited on Windows RT devices. This is distinctly different from Apple's approach with iOS, and Google has removed Flash from Android. [1] 2. Existing Flash websites will run on Windows RT devices. Windows RT will ship with the desktop version of IE10. [2] Microsoft has made explicit what we all know. There are some websites that use Flash appropriately and in a w…

> Google has removed Flash from Android. [1]

Nope, Adobe did. Even your link says so.

Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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Post by [deleted] »

antidoh wrote: post #66
brudgers wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Lockdown" is not the correct term. 1. Flash isn't prohibited on Windows RT devices. This is distinctly different from Apple's approach with iOS, and Google has removed Flash from Android. [1] 2. Existing Flash websites will run on Windows RT devices. Windows RT will ship with the desktop version of IE10. [2] Microsoft has made explicit what we all know. There are some websites that use Flash appropriately and in a w…

I also run with flash disabled, which helps me not see flash ads (I don't mind non-flash ads). And there's very little actual content that I miss. Another benefit, that practice immediately reveals the odd flash-only site, showing me a big empty box. I usually bail immediately on those, because there's usually no good reason to do that, so I assume there's a bad reason. That said, I would rather be the one deciding w…

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Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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Post by Hovertruck »

fakeer wrote: post #40
easternmonk wrote: post #34

Well, we have come to a point where no one actually cares about IE. Everyone wishes this browser wouldn't exist and most of the people use it as a tool to download Chrome and Firefox. Having said that Microsoft's new policy is either aimed at discouraging Flash altogether OR this is just a test. They want to test users are willing accept this kind of feature where MS white-listed websites are given more power than th…

> most of the people use it as a tool to download Chrome and Firefox. Not true. A lot of people still use it as in use . I was alarmingly surprised to find the number of users using IE as their main browser in my office, other than mandatory use to access company portal. And oh, my company's entire mail/issue-tracking suite works on this piece of art .

Chartbeat can speak to this a bit: http://chartbeat.com/labs/totaltotal/

You'll need a big monitor, as this was a quick hack and doesn't function very well on small screens, but you can see the number of people using IE across all of the sites our JS is loaded on in real-time.

Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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Post by adrr »

Skrekkpus wrote: post #52
kayoone wrote: post #31

thats bad news for 3D games in the browser where HTML5 isnt an option yet.

True, but Unity is even better. The same regime might still apply though.

Reading the MSDN page posted on a previous comment, it looks like they are deprecating activex interface for IE. Flash, Silverlight and any other plugin using activex to interface more directly with hardware will be affected.

Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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Post by Karunamon »

TheGateKeeper wrote: post #69
Karunamon wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What bugs me is the fact that we are forced (not a default list, not an opt out list, forced with no alternative if you want to use IE) to defer to Microsoft's judgement on what is a "flash appropriate" site and what is not. Did Newgrounds make their list? Shockwave? Pogo? Quite frankly, I don't trust them with that power. This is the company that just got off of "monopoly probation". I'm starting to really tire of t…

If you want to talk about problems, let's talk about plugins themselves. They're horrible and should never have been created. Hell, even they were a response to horrible websites which browsers had to deal with. Anything short of proper browser development would of course necessitate having plugins for your browser.

>They're horrible and should never have been created.

Do you have a better way to add functionality to a closed source browser?

Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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Post by adrr »

ttrashh wrote: post #26
zapdrive wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing keeping silverlight alive is Netflix. I wonder why they use it in first place.

DRM, better streaming, C# and the .Net framework

Silverlight can enforce protected streams to the output devices. I couldn't play netflix streaming movies on my old monitor since it didn't support HDCP.

Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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Post by dmethvin »

belorn wrote: post #37

The keyword is lockdown. I am all for giving hate to flash. It is commonly found vulnerable. It produce slow websites which eats memory and cpu. It has poor history in non-windows systems. But in all, I have serious doubt this call was made for any reason beyond pushing users to their app-store. games? online experience? chat? By forbidding flash, companies are bit more forced to turn to apps with their products. Sur…

Sorry but I just can't follow the logic here.

The Flash whitelist is only for the formerly-called-Metro immersive browser that will primarily be used on touch-based tablets. It does not affect desktop IE10.

Many Flash apps were designed for big screens and mouse interaction where pointer precision is great. Now you're throwing them onto a screen that's smaller and using a fat finger to emulate a pointer when the Flash app's target areas weren't designed for that.

Now certainly, some Flash apps will work. Other apps will not because they just weren't built with this environment in mind. If the user ends up running one of the apps that fail, they will have a bad experience. It happens all the time with the iPad where Flash doesn't work at all.

To improve the experience, you could make a whitelist of apps that work, or a blacklist of apps that fail. Which implementation you might choose would depend on whether you expect more good or bad apps, the complexity of managing the list, the impact of failure on the user, etc.

Is this really so controversial?

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