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IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Silverlight is more dead than Flash and MS killed itby alienating Silverlight developers.

The only thing keeping silverlight alive is Netflix. I wonder why they use it in first place.

.NET.

Almost everybody uses some version of Windows or other and so .NET is there more or less.

Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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My initial reaction was oh noo how dare they take something away from me, I then realised I have chrome.

I then got thinking, as a default for a browser that will end up in corporate desktops and home users that this is actualy a realy nice move. I'm sure there will be some registry hack to negate this, but for the common user who lacks the ability to do that are perhaps best left with there internet L plates attached.

In summary, big fat +1 from me on this as anybody who is able to bypass this hurdle will be alot less likely to fall foul of this safty net. Less infected PC's, less spam, less crap in general.

Lets not also forget the big benefit this betowes upon us, less calls from friends who's PC's/Internet seems to be running a little slower and after 15 minutes on the phone you realise it will be easier to see them.

Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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Well, we have come to a point where no one actually cares about IE. Everyone wishes this browser wouldn't exist and most of the people use it as a tool to download Chrome and Firefox. Having said that Microsoft's new policy is either aimed at discouraging Flash altogether OR this is just a test. They want to test users are willing accept this kind of feature where MS white-listed websites are given more power than th…

Developers, myself included, may not care about IE as a browser, but the vast majority of the people using my web applications most certainly do as they are using IE. So I care about IE in that I have to field a lot of support requests for it and ensure that the JavaScript I wrote doesn't bomb out on a dangling comma. Those IE users also pay my employer a lot of money to use those web applications to get their jobs done. So yes, people, as in civilian non-developers, do care about IE, quite a bit in fact.

Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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post #43

Also an interesting information: there are two versions of IE. How and why should the user choose which one is more appropriate? Will the locked down version be default?

It's coupled to the "split personality" of the Windows 8 UI. If you start IE from desktop mode, you get "desktop IE", with desktop UI conventions, and web sites with flash will still work. If you select IE off the browser tile in the formerly-Metro "start screen", you get mobile-style UI conventions, and flash breaks unless you're on the whitelist.

Either they're expecting everyone who uses flash in a significant way to get whitelist approvals (and how many people do they have vetting those, anyway?), or they don't mind a period where, from the user's perspective, stuff randomly breaks for reasons that are not likely to be apparent. (Even if you tell them "well, it's how you started the browser fifteen minutes ago", they'll ask, "and why should that matter?" They have a point.)

Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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post #45

My initial reaction was oh noo how dare they take something away from me, I then realised I have chrome. I then got thinking, as a default for a browser that will end up in corporate desktops and home users that this is actualy a realy nice move. I'm sure there will be some registry hack to negate this, but for the common user who lacks the ability to do that are perhaps best left with there internet L plates attache…

Except the desktop version of the browser still has Flash. It's only the Metro, pardon me, Windows 8-style UI version that has no Flash.

Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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When we data security advocates discuss things like promiscuous trust among SSL certificate authorities and one-click scary page bypass features with browser vendors, inevitably the old adage comes up "no vendor is willing to lose market share by making its security policies more restrictive than the others". Perhaps this is a test case trying to break out of the old status quo? Disclaimer: I recently accepted a posi…

Apple broke that status quo by not allowing flash on iDevices at all. They had the advantage of the Steve/Apple "the people like it because we say they should and they think we a cool" super-power though, which MS do not currently poses, and they had both the performance (much Flash code is badly written and would devour battery life) and UI (much flash code that is out there won't work well on a touch-screen interfa…

But the iOS devices were something of a new market. Was there an established precedent for Flash on mobile at the time?

So banning plugins (including Flash) on a desktop OS browser seems like a significant new move.

Re: IE10 won't run Flash unless website is whitelisted by Microsoft

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post #37

The keyword is lockdown. I am all for giving hate to flash. It is commonly found vulnerable. It produce slow websites which eats memory and cpu. It has poor history in non-windows systems. But in all, I have serious doubt this call was made for any reason beyond pushing users to their app-store. games? online experience? chat? By forbidding flash, companies are bit more forced to turn to apps with their products. Sur…

"Lockdown" is not the correct term.

1. Flash isn't prohibited on Windows RT devices. This is distinctly different from Apple's approach with iOS, and Google has removed Flash from Android. [1]

2. Existing Flash websites will run on Windows RT devices. Windows RT will ship with the desktop version of IE10. [2]

Microsoft has made explicit what we all know. There are some websites that use Flash appropriately and in a way which benefits the person browsing, and there are websites whose use of Flash makes the web suck.

Having browsed the web for two years with Flash disabled by default, I'd add that here are a lot of sites which just use Flash for the sake of using Flash. When I don't see it, I still get the content I was seeking.

[1] http://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2012/08/adobe-flash-on-an...

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_on_ARM#Limitations

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