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Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by lunar_mycroft »

Sytten wrote: post #8

I am sure why people are so terminally online to care about this. Like Rust for Linux is also here to stay and we can expect that in 10-20y a large portion of the kernel will be in Rust. Obviously the post was boasting, it was meant as a recruitment ad. They actually probably got a few decent candidates from it.

Adding rust to the kernel makes sense. Porting a million lines of code per engineer month is insane, regardless of language (it works out to ~600ms per line total, including review, testing, etc). Anyone who heard about that expectation and thought it sounded good is the opposite of decent candidate.

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by hatefulheart »

Sytten wrote: post #68
hatefulheart wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good question, it’s not. You're responding to just another Rust and/or LLM fanatic claiming they can predict the future. Dime a dozen on this board.

I will that the Rust fanatic mantle thank you very much. Check your sources though [1]. I dont predict the future I just listen to Linus. [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/1049831/

Sorry to burst your bubble but it takes more than Linus to make Linux.

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by checker659 »

Sytten wrote: post #67
checker659 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes it inevitable?

It has been approved as the same standing as C and assembly, it is there to stay despite what the haters say [1]. Linus is behind the push and for good reasons. Android keeps demonstrating year after year the benefits, at some point I don't know what else to say. [1] https://www.heise.de/en/news/Linux-Kernel-Rust-Support-Offic...

Just because something is beneficial does not mean it will be taken up by the community. My question is (and that is what I'm most interested in atm) what makes Rust's adoption inevitable? Are there people paying to make that happen? Are kernel level security bugs that big of a concern now that migrating to Rust is a pressing issue? Do you see what I mean?

(Again, just to clarify my comment: I'm not challenging anyone. It's just that there are hundreds of programming languages out there. Rust's been around for a good while. So, why now? And circling back to my original question, what makes its adoption inevitable?)

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by reval »

misswaterfairy wrote: post #61
PedroBatista wrote: post #43

This whole thing is hilarious. In a time when some of Satya Nadella's chickens are coming home to roost and Windows being the most obvious example and most of their AI things quickly approaching too, it's good to laugh at their stupidity as a consolation prize. In the past Microsoft fucked up some many times but they had the absolute dominance of the market and a huge pool of talent and knowledgeable people capable o…

> Times have changed, many have retired or been layoff to give way for the next round of "cheap young" talent in the form of contract workers. A couple of quotes from the article above: "WebView2-based Microsoft Teams consistently uses 1-2GB of RAM while doing nothing. Microsoft likely doesn’t know how to make these web apps use fewer resources, so it’s instead moving Teams calling to a separate process to reduce cra…

I feel like this ‘cloud-first’ strategy will only get worse now that AI assisted development is common. I notice my personal AI assisted C# projects get far more complex than when I use some JS framework.

If it’s not the colleges and universities, you can bet the AIs are better trained on JS/TS.

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by treadmill »

esseph wrote: post #66
philistine wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Xbox was poised to be an earthquake to the video game industry but they squandered with the execution. Hence the layoffs to quell the market . The rest of Microsoft might go the same way. I guess now I know what it felt like looking at IBM in 1989.

This IBM? https://www.livescience.com/technology/computing/ibm-will-bu... (Check attached papers)

Talk is cheap. Remind me of this, if/when the "will build" has changed to "has built".

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by tonyhart7 »

elankart wrote: post #64
PedroBatista wrote: post #43

This whole thing is hilarious. In a time when some of Satya Nadella's chickens are coming home to roost and Windows being the most obvious example and most of their AI things quickly approaching too, it's good to laugh at their stupidity as a consolation prize. In the past Microsoft fucked up some many times but they had the absolute dominance of the market and a huge pool of talent and knowledgeable people capable o…

Can you give some concrete examples of “cheap young” contract workers being hired to work on product features? You seem to know a lot of things so maybe some concrete examples will help.

its nice way to say Indians

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by avadodin »

troglo-byte wrote: post #14

I think I would be more interested in Rust the language if Rust the PR sphere was not suggestive of certain all-powerful online influences that I've developed antibodies against. I'm not claiming that they're the same people that dig tunnels and launch satellites, just that my immune system is getting activated as if they were.

I thought I knew where this comment was going but then it just kept going above and beyond.

Do not let them vax your system against computer viruses with their programming languages.

Godspeed.

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by tarsinge »

hrdwdmrbl wrote: post #13
sva_ wrote: post #5

The original LinkedIn post is pretty wild. I wonder if he did a fat line of coke before writing that, or if it actually were any concrete plans that have been worked out.

As a goal for 2030, it doesn’t seem that wild. Shoot for the moon

It’s still wild because it’s mostly useless. Rewriting a few core components might improve security a bit, but otherwise it’ll not change anything for end users. This is the typical attractive but useless project for bored programmer with no product or business vision.

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Post by bodash »

monocasa wrote: post #20
hrdwdmrbl wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a goal for 2030, it doesn’t seem that wild. Shoot for the moon

Rewriting Microsoft's 10s if not 100s of millions of lines of native code in four years doesn't sound that wild to you?

Windows’ downfall will finally give rise to the Linux desktops, already seeing trends in how popular Omarchy is and well received
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